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Need some citations to move to a B class article. Aboutmovies 07:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Source?[edit]

How much of this article is pulled from http://www.dailyemerald.com/history/ - and if it's a lot, is there a copyright issue? -Pete 22:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the whole timeline looks like a copy and paste job and should be pulled. I assume that it's a copyvio, and besides, how notable is "Newspaper sponsors two major defense drives: a scrap drive and a penny parade"? As a former copy editor for the Emerald, it also reflects badly on my honor. I think the rest of the article, though unsourced, may be OK if badly in need of a good copyediting. Katr67 23:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

List of editors[edit]

Is a complete list of editors necessary? I think it should be pared down to "notable editors". Katr67 21:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Online[edit]

This section doesn't list any sources and seems to be self promotion. The newspaper's website is not original at all if you look at it. The print edition is dumped online and it's from collegepublisher, as is used by nearly every college paper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.170.33.237 (talk) 04:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Notable alumni?[edit]

Can a school newspaper have alumni? In conventional conversation, yes. In a formal sense, perhaps not – there is no matriculation or graduation from a newspaper. Would "Notable former staff members" be better than "Notable alumni"? Re: Phil Knight, the article on him in Wikipedia indicates that he received a journalism degree from the UofO in 1959; it is reasonable to assume that with such a degree he worked on the school paper. Re: Randy Shilts, it is even clearer: not only did he get a journalism degree, but served as managing editor of the ODE, at least according to the Wikipedia article on him.

Does being a published author merit inclusion on a list of 'notable alumni' or 'notable former staff members'? Wikipedia's Notability guidelines are clear: "These notability guidelines only outline how suitable a topic is for its own article or list. They do not limit the content of an article or list." (emphasis added) In other words, regardless of whether it is sufficiently notable for a respected published author to merit an article on their own right (separate discussion), there should be no problem mentioning them in a relevant article or list. One would reasonably expect that former staff members of a major university newspaper would go on to be respected, even notable authors.

On this basis, I would argue for restoring the article section and short list of former staff members summarily deleted yesterday. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 04:53, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Based on the above rationale, have renamed and restored the section, with Shilts included. The ODE states that Knight was a sports reporter from 1958-59. Knight's bios indicate that he was a sports reporter for his high school paper. I think his degree was in Business Admin though, not journalism, as one source suggests (conflicting sources, but more for Bus Admin). It's not definitive, but I would go for inclusiveness, and add Knight back in too. Other views? DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 07:14, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Speaking of notable alumni, there's a useful list of notable UofO journalism alumni on Wikipedia at List of University of Oregon alumni, including references. No indication of which may have worked for the ODE, though. DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 07:21, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: Phil Knight as notable former staff member: after further reading it's clear to me that Knight graduated with a business, not journalism degree from the U of O. (There's only one article that says otherwise, and I think it's in error.) The ODE claims on Facebook (and elsewhere?) that Knight was a sports reporter for it in the late 1950s. There is ample evidence that, while in high school, Knight worked part-time as a sports statistician for The Oregonian – competitor to The Oregon Journal, published by his father. However, I have not yet seen any evidence verifying the ODE's claims about Knight being a former staff member. Can anyone provide mastheads, titles of articles with bylines, or other documentation that includes such verification? I do think this is interesting and notable if it can be verified. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 07:58, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Notable editors[edit]

For the same reason, the item listing Ron Eachus under the section, 'Notable editors', should be restored. Is serving four years as Commissioner of the Oregon Public Utility Commission sufficient for notability? According to the above-referenced guideline, answering that question should not be necessary for inclusion in an article or list. It would be helpful, I agree, to add a verifiable source to such a listing. That should not be difficult to provide. DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 05:10, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Name?[edit]

Best as I can tell, it is now the Daily Emerald, without the "Oregon"... Please confirm. If so, should the name of this article be changed, too? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 18:20, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

They now go by Emerald Media Group. Their website is still called DailyEmerald.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.183.234.58 (talk) 00:33, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Multiple choices: i) maintain 'Oregon Daily Emerald' as an article on a defunct student newspaper; ii) start new article 'Daily Emerald' or 'DailyEmerald' on the online news site; iii) start new article on the publishing group 'Emerald Media Group', with sections on 'Emerald Monday' and 'Emerald Wknd'; iv) all of the above. Which is best way to go? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 01:10, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
After pondering this a bit, my suggestion is to do two things: i) move this article to Daily Emerald, which though an online news site, arguably continues the legacy of the ODE; and ii) also start a new article on the Emerald Media Group, which has a variety of media ventures. Thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 22:00, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Here's background http://www.niemanlab.org/tag/oregon-daily-emerald/ and http://future.dailyemerald.com/ and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/19/college-newspapers-digital-innovate_n_1687528.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.183.234.58 (talk) 20:21, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Updating; further development[edit]

I've made a beginning stab at updating this article, opting to move it to 'Daily Emerald', the name of the online news website. At some point, it might make sense to create a separate, spin-off article on the Oregon Daily Emerald and its predecessors; there's a lot of rich history there. But that can be developed here, too, in an expanded 'History' section. Meanwhile, the article needs to be further developed to reflect the new online news site, and possibly its sister publications Emerald Monday and Emerald Wknd. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 06:21, 6 January 2013 (UTC)