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    • People
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      • Celebrations
      • Festivals
    • ECONOMY is in major need of work
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  • Fix issues from review
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  • Points of interest to prose
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  • Merge or remove one sentence paragraphs
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Neighborhoods[edit]

"Midtown Dallas" as defined by this article is not used by ANYONE in Dallas as far as I know. Do you have a source? The only references for something called "Midtown Dallas" are for a planned development near the Galleria (along 635) which is nowhere near the "Midtown" described in this article.

The Dallas Contemporary is not in the "City Center District." It is in the Design District.

99.178.186.115 (talk) 19:50, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Population[edit]

I changed the population to reflect the NCTCOG 2009 estimates. Joshua Scott (talk) 19:23, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I changed to reflect 2010 Census

So, we have a contradiction here. In Dallas entry:

Dallas (play /ˈdæləs/) is the largest city in Texas[4][5] and the ninth-largest in the United States

In Houston entry:

Houston[5] is the fourth-largest city in the United States of America, and the largest city in the state of Texas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.83.120.55 (talk) 16:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Politics[edit]

The section on politics is in need of rewriting and cleaning. I recommend:

  - Moving the Politics Section to the bottom of the Culture sub-section
  - Citation is needed
  - Focusing on Local politics with a brief mention of National and State voting trends


I would suggest that we present both viewpoints on Dallas (the City) being politically left or right.

I think linking to an article on Dallas-Ft Worth politics would allow a better place to show the comparison of voting trends in Dallas with those of suburbs. (ex Plano)

I would be more than happy to work with others to clarify the information in the article as well as find citation of the information.

Preston A. Vickrey (Maj Gen know-it-all) (talk) 15:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Stop referring to Dallas and Texas for that fact as the American South. Texas is in no way culturally, politically, or ideologically connected to the south. If standard classifications have to be used, the American Southwest would be more appropriate but even beyond that Texas very much has it's own identity. As a matter of fact we actually have more in common with Mexico than we do the United States. In fact our energy grid, which we have our own, is connected to Mexico, but not the United States. It's very misleading to have readers from across the world who are trying to understand the geopolitical aspects of this coutrry and is various regions to read about the south and then Texas and then try to connect the two to only find that there are minimal similarities. From a historical context, if one studies Texas history, they will find that the only reason Texas joined the confederacy was get away from the united states as so afterwards they could declare their own Republic again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.116.250.183 (talk) 16:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

omg[edit]

texas is to —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.0.41.29 (talk) 21:11, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I guess this says it all...hopefully, the poster was not rendered suddenly and catastrophically digitally mute by a massive subdural cerebral event, but was simply overwhelmed by the grandeur of Texas ;-)
William J. 'Bill' McCalpin (talk) 16:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

funny post. thanks. Dallas rocks. Erehwon37 (talk) 23:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from TimJack310, 17 April 2010[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}} Dallas info on coldest temperature needs to be corrected. Coldest temperature ever was not 1 degree F in 1989...it was -8F from 1899 per the NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association). Also, NOAA has -1F as the lowest in 1989 and not the 1F that is posted. Thanks! TimJack310 (talk) 19:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Can you just give us the link to the NOAA info?  fetchcomms 19:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Found it here, and went ahead and changed the record high & low in the article, but the Dallas weather table is not fixed yet. Seems to me that the National Weather Service would be the most reliable source for temps, but I see quite a few inconsistencies between the table in the article and that source. —Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 22:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done I corrected {{Dallas weatherbox}}, so the box is correct now. —Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 23:51, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Population Ranks[edit]

Dallas has a population of 1,406,350 the population ranks are old, it should be changed to this: Dallas would be the 2nd largest city in Texas and the 7th largest city in the USA. Ladarron June 16, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladarron (talkcontribs) 05:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

No, you are wrong. Dallas is the third largest city in Texas. Find ar reference that supports your claim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.83.53.249 (talk) 16:13, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Education[edit]

I added an education section. People moving here want to know about the schools. Erehwon37 (talk) 23:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no move. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 17:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)



DallasDallas, Texas — The city is used in most reliable sources. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 23:38, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

  • Oppose another rename request by 75.142.152.104 (talk · contribs) 76.66.200.95 (talk) 04:57, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose Dallas is the city in Texas for by far the majority of people —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabzzap (talkcontribs) 14:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment: It is important to consider that this is not just the American Wikipedia, this is the Wikipedia for the entire English language. Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, and other English-speaking countries share this Wikipedia with an importance no less than the United States. As we can see at Dallas (disambiguation), there are many other cities out there worldwide that are named Dallas. Although in the United States Dallas is most likely going to mean Dallas, TX, it may not be that way in other English-speaking countries. Many other Wikipedia articles on major cities only use the city name in the article title, omitting the state/country name, which would be understandable on major cities like New York City and London that are well known worldwide by only the city name, but on a smaller city (in comparison), like Dallas, TX, we need to know whether it is the city referred to most by only its name among English-speaking countries worldwide, before we name its Wikipedia article using only the city name.

    And we should not oppose a move request just because it was nominated by a certain user. We should only give our opinions based on what we think about moving the article in question, taking into account Wikipedia naming conventions like WP:Article titles#Common names, not based on who nominated the article. [|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|] 04:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose. While I personally don't like it, there is this. Plus, incomprehensible nomination by a persistently disruptive user. --Sable232 (talk) 15:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose. As User:Sable232 points out, there is a lasting consensus that Wikipedia follows the AP style for a few cities. I personally got Cleveland, Ohio moved to Cleveland not long ago. At present, Wikipedia deviates from the AP on Las Vegas, Nevada, Phoenix, Arizona, St. Louis, Missouri and Washington, D.C.. I am not clear on why Las Vegas retains its state and I may request it be moved, but the other three at least have obvious other targets. Abductive (reasoning) 19:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose The Dallas in Texas is by far the most well known Dallas. As such, leaving this article at Dallas and linking to a disambiguation page, as is the case currently, is the best approach and consistent with Wikipedia policy on article titles and disambiguation. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose I asked the question, "When you hear the word 'Dallas', do you think of 'Dallas, Texas' more than anywhere else?" on the tourist bulletin board at VirtualTourist (chosen because of the large number of non-American English speakers who use it), and the answer was a near unanimous "yes" - see the discussion. To be fair, a majority felt that it would be fair that the article be named "Dallas, Texas" rather than "Dallas", but only because they did not understand things like the AP stylebook (none of them are Wikipedia contributors so far as I know). In any case, if the issue is "Is Dallas (for Texas) a name that is so well-known that the mere mention of 'Dallas' calls to mind 'Dallas, Texas' almost exclusively?", the answer is clearly "yes", even among a non-scientifically selected group of non-US English speakers from around the world.--William J. 'Bill' McCalpin (talk) 02:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Type of municipal government[edit]

The type of government listed in the article is council-manager; I believe Dallas is better described as a weak mayor-council city, as per the Wikipedia article, based on its mayor being elected by the city population and having some powers outside of merely chairing the city council. Anyone have thoughts on this? Gnassar (talk) 21:52, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure I agree. Can you give greater detail to your reasoning? Lawblogger18 (talk) 20:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry; seems I wasn't getting email notifications. Well, I'm not sure there's more detail to be given -- again, Dallas' mayor is elected by the city population; in a council-manager government, it would be appointed by the council, or alternatively, would be voted on to sit on the council (this per the WP entries linked above.) Neither is the case. The weak-mayor-council description linked above, however, fits Dallas to a T, in that the council has both legislative and executive powers and the mayor, though popularly elected, "lack[s] effective executive power and restriction on the ability to appoint and remove officials, and lack veto powers".

By that description, it would seem pretty clear, I think. Gnassar (talk) 12:25, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Collaboration[edit]

If anyone here would like to collaborate on getting this article to a more acceptable status (maybe WP:GA?), send me a message on my talk page. --Mahanga (Talk) 10:09, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Census 2010[edit]

The census 2010 count is more than 100,000 less than the 2009 estimate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/17/AR2011021707179.html?nav=hcmoduletmv

The number for Houston was also 155,000 less than the 2009 estimate, and San Antonio was slightly below expectations.Ryoung122 12:27, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Places of Interest[edit]

Why does the "places of interest" section for the Dallas wikipedia page include so many locations that are not in the city of Dallas? Out of 19 locations listed, I note that one (Texas Motor Speedway) is in Fort Worth, three (Six Flags, Hurricane Harbor, Cowboys Stadium) are in Arlington, and two (Texas Stadium and Southfork Ranch) are in Dallas suburbs. While it would be appropriate to include these locations in the DFW metroplex page, it seems odd to have them on the page for Dallas proper. If there are no objections, I would like to remove these locations from the page. PohranicniStraze (talk) 02:08, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

the temperatures don't seem to be right[edit]

Please click the following link for details: http://www.wunderground.com/NORMS/DisplayNORMS.asp?AirportCode=KDAL&SafeCityName=Dallas&StateCode=TX&Units=none&IATA=DFW — Preceding unsigned comment added by Accent (talkcontribs) 06:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


Temperatures are not self consistent, the details of record high temperature and record low temperature in the text of the article contradict the details in the table directly below the text . — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrTubbles (talkcontribs) 13:18, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Cityscape[edit]

I've removed the lower panorama from the Cityscape section. (I've also shrunk the middle one, and slightly enlarged the upper one) I saw it to be an unnecessary addition to the Dallas page, but I wanted to explain in further detail my reasoning for editing the way I did, to prevent possible edit wars from ensuing.


A few weeks ago I uploaded a panorama of the Dallas skyline that I made from photos I took from the West Village parking garage. I then put it in the Dallas article, replacing the previous, outdated panorama (taken from Victory Park in '06). I first thought of just adding it to the Cityscape section along side the existing one, but no matter which way I tested the layout, it just didn't look right. So since the skyline panorama I had made was an improvement over the old one, I just removed the old one from the page entirely. By doing so I prevented the cityscape section from looking absurd. Huge pictures that go across the whole width of the window should be few and special. Dallas isn't important enough that it needs its wiki article to have five-dozen massive pano's scattered all over the place. That would be too boastful.


So it had been some time since I'd checked the article and I thought of doing so today. When I got on, I found that two additional skyline panoramas had been added to the cityscape section below mine. Now neither of them is bad, but as I stated above, having three enormous pictures in the same part of a wiki page really doesn't improve it. Unless there's a good reason for it (i.e. each of the pictures plays its own role of sorts in the article viewers' experience while looking over it, and the quality of all of them is top-notch), it will just make it all look messy.

Now as it happens with these panoramas, the ones on the middle and bottom do add another perspective to Dallas's cityscape. While mine was taken from uptown (essentially within the skyline itself), these were taken from across the Trinity river (to give a wide angle of the entire city center). So in this case there is a purpose to having more than just one panorama filling the screen. But I can't see any reason to justify all three staying up. The first and second were both taken in the middle of the day, with blue sky. So the look of each of the first two panoramas is not only compatible, but actually helps them to complement each other. One is taken from one side pointing one way, the other is taken from the other side pointing the opposite way. The third (from Inwood Road), however, is just redundant and unnecessary. I know that the spot it was taken from is a few miles from the Belmont Hotel, but the angles look close enough to not need a third panorama in the same section. DKW 85 (talk) 03:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't agree with the removal of the picture. Maybe we can add it back? It was nice! Karnifro (talk) 07:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree. The Dallas skyline is not as prominent or notable as New York's, Chicago's, or Miami's. Two shots is already pushing it, but they are appealing and do show different vantage points. It should be kept at two maximum, and I believe the current images to be fine. 08OceanBeachS.D. 08:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't agree either. I'm with Karnifro and think the third picture did add a valuable addition to the Dallas cityscape that is very different from the other two. It helps to show that Dallas has grown substantially over the last decade to such an extent that it is multi-dimensional in its Downtown cityscape and when viewed from differing angles the views are substantially different yet all very big-city in their feel. And the fact the third picture was taken at sunset actually worked beautifully as a complement to the first and second images. As a suggestion you may want to speak to the person who posted those pictures before arbitrarily removing them .... what if they removed your's without discussing with you? Or I suggest alternatively at a minimum reduce the third picture to the same dimensions as the second image and add it back, maybe then the original poster may agree with you and you will avoid a possible edit war ensuing. I say put the third picture back. Dallasborn&bred (talk) 17:07, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

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Lead paragraph[edit]

The article is about Dallas, not the Dallas-Fort Worth MSA. The recently added material to the lead paragraph not only concerns Dallas but all other cities in the MSA. This should be moved to the the Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex article. Postoak (talk) 19:16, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Emphatic agreement. Paragraphs 2, 3, and 4 are about the area and not the city. I'm removing.--Louiedog (talk) 20:53, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

It is interesting that the person who has a problem with this information is from Houston. The data as presented is important to understand that Dallas IS DFW. Most of the data in fact was Dallas related with a reference to its position within its metro. Jealousy from a competing city in Texas is not a basis for removing important data that explains Dallas' role in the State and the Country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.181.192.12 (talk) 17:03, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Stop making ridiculous assumptions. Focus on the article and not the editor. As I stated, the infomation added is about the Metroplex and not Dallas. Dallas in NOT DFW. Dallas is within the DFW metroplex, along with Fort Worth, Arlington, Plano, etc. The lead violates WP:USCITY, simple as that. Postoak (talk) 19:58, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
I am not from Houston and I agree with Postoak. The Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex article is the place for these sorts of pieces of information. This article is about the city proper of Dallas, not the metro area, as per WP:USCITY guidelines. The metro area of any city gets a passing mention in the form of the metro population size, but any more than that is not appropriate here.--Louiedog (talk) 19:05, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
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City Seal[edit]

Could someone please, pretty please, change the colors of the seal to match the flag? The current colors are horrid --Thegunkid (talk) 05:18, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

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Vandal[edit]

Hi, it seems you've been vandalized! Some enterprising a-hole included the words "Dallas sucks!!!!!!!" at the start of one paragraph about two screens down the page, throwing the entire paragraph out of whack in the process. Thought someone should know...

89.102.132.83 (talk) 00:09, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but that was fixed a while ago. szyslak (t) 01:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Jewish community[edit]

I was quite surprised to notice that the Religion section makes no mention whatsoever of the city's sizable, influential, and history-laden Jewish community. Perhaps someone could address this rather glaring omission with a paragraph or two. 173.173.120.49 (talk) 20:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Find a source demonstrating the size and/or significance of the Jewish community in Dallas go ahead and include it.--Louiedog (talk) 18:38, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

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Culture[edit]

I think that including specific events and festivals around New Years Eve are important to include. Events such as Big D NYE and Lights All Night, as both have come back multiple years. Jennasl (talk) 22:46, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Spur 408 Article[edit]

Anyone up for making a Spur 408 article? Its the only red link in the list of highways/roads/interstates. TheMesquito (talk) 12:37, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

City, State naming conventions[edit]

Why is this article not titled Dallas, Texas? There are at least 7 other cities named Dallas in the US. Is this some distinction that was made due to the popular TV series of the same? If that's the case then the article titled Dallas should be about that TV program. I am a big believer in the consistency and uniformity of naming conventions. In my opinion the redirect is backwards. Any thoughts out there on this?Walter 16:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WalterJF (talkcontribs) .I reconsidered my position on this after looking at Chicago, Los Angeles, etc. and I realized that these articles are named from "what's the first place that comes to mind when you mention (name a large US city)?". It's obvious to me that Wiki-Pedia does not follow the naming conventions that one might find in a physical book-form of an encyclopedia. Please do not respond to this. I am withdrawing this discussion. Walter 16:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WalterJF (talkcontribs)

I will respond to this and say that you should familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policy; NOBODY but the residents of the other 6 Dallas' in the US think of anything but the city of Dallas when hearing it's name. Also, please sign your talk page posts with four tildes 71.170.12.131 (talk) 04:12, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Temperature records[edit]

Should DFW Airport or Love Field be used as the reporting station for Dallas (not the DFW region) itself? According to ThreadEx (NOAA), "Dallas/Fort Worth Area" reported out of Fort Worth from 1898 until August 1974, and since then, at DFW Airport, whereas "Dallas Area" was based in downtown Dallas from 1913 until the opening of Love Field in 1940. Clearly, the first of the two offers a longer period (by 14–15 years) and includes the Great Blizzard of 1899, but the latter is closer to downtown Dallas. In addition, the text at least at Dallas#Climate appears to use records from the former. Another question would be which station is used for official (and news) reports for Dallas itself? GotR Talk 05:33, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Topography[edit]

The Topography section states that elevations in Dallas range from 450 to 550 feet. However, in Google Earth it is possible to see that there are elevations above 700 feet in extreme southwest Dallas, near Joe Pool Lake (west of Clark Road and north of Danieldale Road). It's hard to be sure from Google Maps and Google Earth, but I think this area is within the city limits of Dallas. However, there are clearly many places within the city limits of Dallas that are above 600 feet.