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Spirit Airlines[edit]

Spirit operates all departures out of E. E has no customs clearance so the Mexico flights arrive into D. It is unclear to the reader to list Spirit as using both D and E. Some travelers use Wikipedia for information about their travels and it is more clear to the reader to have "all" the information they need. Therefore the section on International Arrivals. RicHicks (talk) 00:39, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Untitled[edit]

"Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport (IATA: DFW, ICAO: KDFW) is the third busiest airport in the world in terms of operations."

What do you mean "in terms of operations?". Is it plane movements or passenger numbers?


The TrAAin has been out of operation for about a year now.


No, the TrAAin is still in operation (as of February 2005). The TrAAin is operated by American Airlines and just runs between Terminals A and C. You are thinking of the slow moving DFW Train which used to run to all of the terminals. That has been out of service for over a year and will be replaced by the new People Mover system this Spring. Currently the airport is using shuttle buses to transfer people between all of the terminals until the new people mover system is operational. Jfitts 00:09, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Shuttle Landing[edit]

I have deleted the claim that this airport was the first commercial airport to host a shuttle landing in 1989, since all landings of the shuttle in that year were at Edwards Air Force Base (check the Shuttle Mission Archive). This could refer to a landing of the shuttle aboard its 747 carrier aircraft, in which case the claim could be put back into the article. Although this wouldn't be a "shuttle landing" in the strictest sense, and the claim would have to be reworded. Willy Logan 01:10, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

This always confused me by what was meant since the shuttle clearly never landed here at the end of it's mission. That would have been easily sourced if it had. I thought maybe they meant it had landed there carried on the NASA 747 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft for an open house. If this was the case DFW would be far from unique. Many airports such as Paris Le Bourget have had that honor. However I think I finally found, quite by accident, what the author really meant. In 1989 following the STS-30 mission Atlantis landed at Edwards AFB. Normally the NASA 747 SCA ferries it back to Florida by refueling at two air force bases enroute depending on weather. The shuttle tiles lose their water proof coating during re entry and it is imperitive the NASA 747 SCA avoid any bad weather that may expose the shuttle to rain. It appears on this ferry flight back they had to land at DFW to avoid rain at their intended destination. This would be the first time (and only time I've heard of) that following the end of a mission the shuttle has stopped at a commercial airport enroute back to Florida. www.airliners.net/open.file/014096/L shows the NASA 747 SCA with Atlantis at DFW following this mission. User:skywayman 00:46, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Just a note, I seem to remember something about DFW being the only commercial facility with a runway long enough to land the shuttle, but I may be hallucinating. Eaglizard (talk) 23:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Wright Amendment[edit]

I'm removing the recent addition about the Wright Amendment controversy. It completely violates the NPOV guideline. CF 00:58, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

should the link to Keep DFW Strong be removed? it probably shouldn't be there unless the corresponding anti-Wright Amendment website Wright Amendment Repeal Page is listed.--68.231.52.224 00:27, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Airline tags[edit]

What's the point of all those airline logos? feydey 23:21, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Non-stop Destinations[edit]

The current article is too long because of the destinations list. I think that there should be made a separate article for it to clean up the lengthyness of the airport article.

London Heathrow (LHR)[edit]

Recently people keep adding London/Heathrow to airlines such as United Airlines. DFW cannot fly direct to LHR but to London/Gatwick (LGW). This is similar to airports such as Atlanta (ATL) that only flies to LGW.

This should be removed All airlines now fly to Heathrow, both American Airlines and British Airways fly non-stop from DFW to LHR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.183.215.129 (talk) 21:19, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Seventh Runway?[edit]

"The seventh runway opened in 1996, and is said to have decreased air congestion throughout the United States by approximately 18 to 22 percent."

Not a chance. Without a citation, this has to go--it stands to reason that AA only has a maximum of about a 22 percent share of all domestic traffic and only about 30-40% of that goes thru DFW. "is said" -- by whom?

/ to -[edit]

If you are going to change all /'s to -'s please apply it to all of them instead of only a few. There is always CTRL+F if you didn't know.

The policy decided on by the Wikiproject was to use dashes. If I missed a destination or two, then go ahead and fix them, rather than reverting the entire edit. Dbinder 15:09, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Also, slashes should be used when listing multi-city airports, but dashes when clarifying which airport in a city.. For example, Minneapolis/St. Paul, but Chicago-O'Hare. Dbinder 15:12, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


Diagram[edit]

Is there anyway we can get a terminal diagram up like the one there is on the George Bush Intercontinental Airport page ? 19:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

question about being largest airline[edit]

when reading the wikipedia article American Airlines, it states that AA is the second largest airline group in the world, behind Air France-KLM. Yet on the DFW Airport article, it states that AA is the world's largest?

65.69.188.137 14:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Combined, AF-KL is the largest, but the two still operate as separate airlines. The largest single carrier is AA. Dbinder (talk) 15:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I thought Delta was the largest. Basketball110 (talk) 01:26, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Combined with Northwest, DL is now the world's biggest carrier, but the 2 carriers are still operating seperately (Like AF-KLM). Until DL and NWA start acting as one airline (which will be this time next year), AA is still the worl'd largest in terms of passengers and fleet size. Cashier freak (talk) 04:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Champion Air[edit]

If you go to the home page, they recently put Champion on the list. If you agree, put the airline on the list. Thanks

                             Oneriver505 23:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC) oneriver505
    • Just three days ago, I landed at DFW from SJU and I saw two Champion Air 727's and three Aeromexico 737 Boeings from my Boeing 757. I wonder what's the current status of those carriers at DFW? Antonio Demon of Flight Martin", 17:49, May 31, 2008 (UTC)

Skylink Topspeed[edit]

Sources on the topspeed of the Skylink seem to be in conflict with one another. Please see the Skylink discussion page for more information. RedPoptarts 12:41, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Size of Manhatten?[edit]

On one of the shuttles it says the airport is the size of manhatten I have a bet running with my sister... Is it Gavinthesavage 19:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Former Routes[edit]

What happened to the section on former destinations from DFW? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.249.65.188 (talk) 19:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

Per consensus at WP:AIRPORTS, former destinations are not to be listed unless they are complete and well-referenced. Those belong in airline destinations. Charmedaddict (talk) 21:59, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Dfw brand.gif[edit]

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Don't bother taking off LGW, LHR you're clear for take off.[edit]

A few months ago, I came on to this page, and found that AA was going to cancel the Gatwick route, and put in a Heathrow route. A few weeks later, Gatwick was back, but no Heathrow. Then it switched again. Then it happened that both are there. That's now. Could someone clarify? Basketball110 17:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Not to worry. AA has stated they would fly to both Heathrow and Gatwick when the LHR service starts. 69.249.65.12 (talk) 21:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Airtrans[edit]

The article says, "Later, the Airtrans at DFW was split into three separate systems, the regular Airport Train, an employee train, and the American Airlines TrAAin." As far as I can remember the regular Airtrans for passengers and the employee train always existed. They used the same track, but the employee train faced the other side, and its stations were more spartan (no glass doors, bare concrete, and largely obscured from view). I also remember "flatcars," I don't know if these were used for cargo or what. "Airtrans" also refers to a bus service, using the same logo, paint scheme etc. that ran between the terminals, parking ,car rental etc. There was also an intercity bus service (e.g. from the airport to downtown Dallas) called "Surtrans" that used a font and logo similar to that of Airtrans. Unfortunately I don't have sources for any of this other than personal recollection. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Disasters[edit]

Why does the Disasters section list many things that are simply incidents? In fact, why are many of the incidents listed at all? Is it somehow germane to the airport that a flight from there had to divert due to engine problems? I don't think it is.

Also, I really feel sure there have been more actual disasters at DFW than Flight 191. (And here I'm defining 'disaster' as 'somebody died', simplicist that I am.) Maybe there haven't been, maybe I'm just misunderestimating* DFW's safety record. (* sorry, trying to get ready for our new village idio... er, local (p)resident. :^P) Eaglizard (talk) 23:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I have moved the old (somewhat dramatically named) Disasters section into the more appropriately named Accidents and incidents in line with WikiProject Airports guidelines. I have also removed the non-notable incident regarding an engine failure, again in accordance with the guidelines. SempreVolando (talk) 11:40, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

The Dukes of Hazards Tryouts at D/FW Airport- Drunk Driver Goes All Genral Lee[edit]

Should their be a section about accidents and incidents that don't involve just planes? There have been other incidents such as what happened on June 6, 2010. A drunk driver was speeding down International Parkway and hit a toll booth, which caused the car to fly through the air and damaging the toll booth. No one was hurt during this, though. Mes tex (Mes tex (talk) 17:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)) —Preceding undated comment added 17:33, 18 June 2010 (UTC).

Coppell[edit]

Can anyone provide a source that the airport is actually in Coppell among the others? There seems to be no doubt as to the other three, but it appears that no part is actually within Coppell. The northern boundary of the airport, roughly, is the 114, no? But Coppell's southern boundary is I-635. That would be incongruous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.56.35 (talk) 17:34, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

The northern boundary of DFW Airport is Bethel Rd in Coppell — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptThunder (talkcontribs) 04:51, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Air France[edit]

Is there an official link that mentions Air France to be starting service to DFW this March? If not I will delete it. (talk)

Can't book such on AF site. Deleting. HkCaGu (talk) 21:42, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Can't add until an official press release is given from Air France itself. If the flight cannot be booked, then it is not starting. Snoozlepet (talk) 05:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Not necessarily true that if a flight can't be booked, it isn't starting. There are still many details and months before it is "supposed" to start. I agree though, until DFW airport or AF announces it, don't add it. I wonder if AF will replace KLM's A330 service that may or may not be coming back next spring. Just lack of Skyteam movement is DFW, I don't think both KLM and AF could survive. 71.240.189.5 (talk) 05:35, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Article title[edit]

Why isnt it written Dallas Forth Worth International Airport or Dallas-Forth Worth International Airport? inline with other dual city airports i.e Cologne Bonn Airport and Seattle-Tacoma International Airport inspector (talk) 12:28, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Airport City?[edit]

According to the linked "airport city" article, that term refers to the "inside the fence" shops, hotels, terminals & infrastructure. The gist of that article seems to indicate that almost any larger sized airport could have at least parts of it referred to as the "airport city". Perhaps this should be moved down the the 6th paragraph where the text talks about "in many ways, DFW is run like a small city." IMHO this bit either needs to go or be rewritten... thoughts? JByrd (talk) 21:21, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Aeromexico to once again serve DFW?[edit]

Is there an official link or news article that mentions that Aeromexico Connect is going to serve DFW with non-stop service to Mexico City this November? Otherwise if not, it should be deleted. (talk) 5:16, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved: insufficient support. DrKiernan (talk) 15:19, 3 November 2012 (UTC)


Dallas/Fort Worth International AirportDallas–Fort Worth International Airport – Style as in Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex, per MOS:DASH. Dicklyon (talk) 02:23, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Oppose. The airport's name is the airport's name and has nothing to do with what the MOS says about the metroplex. HkCaGu (talk) 02:43, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Support MOS:DASH and slashes cause technical problems as well. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 04:06, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
    Slashes used to cause problems because of being a directory but are no longer an issue. The only characters that can not be used are the forbidden characters # < > [ ] | { } Apteva (talk) 05:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose. This is not even contestable. The airport is clearly named with a slash. Apteva (talk) 05:20, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
The name is not in question, just the styling. The airport's own publications vary, sometimes using space instead of slash. Quite a few books, including Fodor's guide, style it with en dash. It's clearly a style choice. Dicklyon (talk) 05:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
"Quite a few" is misleading - as the vast majority use the correct name. Punctuation of a proper name is not really a style issue. If it was, spelling Julia Louis/Drefus like this would be acceptable. It is more like stylistic license than style. Apteva (talk) 05:59, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
We decide based on policy and guidelines. If you want to change those, you should do it on their talk pages. — kwami (talk) 06:27, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose per dfwairport.com. Also, speedy close per WP:SNOW. Follow the usage in sources, for crying out loud! --Born2cycle (talk) 05:40, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Support per MOS. Clear case of WP:ENDASH, though the slash isn't too bad. — kwami (talk) 06:20, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose: the airport authorities refer to themselves as "Dallas/Fort Worth", and thus that should be our article title. Whether that agrees with what our manual of style would do if we were running the airport is irrelevant. (A case in point would be the Canadian clothing retailer Urban Behavior, which uses the US spelling of "behavior" rather than the Canadian "behaviour", even though our manual of style would insist on the Canadian spelling.) The MOS does not trump the airport's actual name. --RFBailey (talk) 02:06, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
  • NeutralThis seems to be a style issue and the MOS should apply. While my reading of the MOS tends to lean towards supporting the move, the MOS:SLASH section has the following exception "where a slash occurs in a phrase widely used outside Wikipedia, and a different construction would be inaccurate, unfamiliar, or ambiguous", which seems like it might fit in this case. The use of an en-dash in other occurrences of Dallas–Fort Worth seem to weaken that argument, though to me personally a slash here feels more natural. PaleAqua (talk) 03:16, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
It's hard to see how the en dash could be considered "inaccurate, unfamiliar, or ambiguous", given it's use in multiple books such as Fodor's (linked above) and the Lone Star Guide and others, not to mention the frequent use of space or hyphen instead. Dicklyon (talk) 03:29, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Support True enough. Suppose I have to support. Still feels a little wrong to me compared to other en-dash moves, which I mostly support. Looks like the Lone Star Guide uses both, which means that the unfamiliar exception doesn't apply. Inaccurate differently doesn't apply, and ambiguous doesn't either as I can imagine anyone reading Fort and Worth as being separate.PaleAqua (talk) 01:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
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Airport location[edit]

It is ridiculous that I have explained my every revert, and yet a third party can simply say "I agree" and demand me to "take it to talk". I will oblige, but will not wait.

  • It is already stated in the article and unchallenged that the airport is within the city limits of the four stated cities. Saying "neighboring" is wrong.
  • "DFW Airport, TX" is a postal location. The "entity", if at all used, refers to the airport itself. You cannot have an airport located at the airport.
  • There is no authoritative use of "DFW Airport, Texas". If we can only call it ", TX", it is itself a reason to disqualify its use as "location" of the airport.
  • It is a widely recognized standard across Wikipedia that place names are according to USGS and also communities according to Census. Postal "cities" are summarily rejected as "locations" especially when they are included in any city limits and Census-defined communities, and postal boundaries are likewise rejected whenever differ from political boundaries. Various San Fernando Valley communities with postal city names are called "(whatever) district in Los Angeles". Perhaps the best example is SFO, owned by the City of SF and given the name and ZIP "San Francisco, CA 94128", but its "location" is not at all SF but "unincorporated San Mateo County". HkCaGu (talk) 19:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Add DFW Airport, texas to location. I support the change to adding "DFW Airport, Texas" as a location for the aiport. I agree with that addition to the article as made by an ealier edit of the article. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 23:52, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Multiple Issues?[edit]

What multiple issues does this article have? It has plenty of citations all over the place, including "inline" citations and this article is anything but outdated since its updated every few days. Can someone enlighten me on this? Baseball Watcher 05:10, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Busiest international routes from DFW (January 2013 – December 2013)[edit]

Can somebody help me on the citation for this and resulting information in the page I want to recreate this for other airports? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Travisn917 (talkcontribs) 00:07, 3 August 2014 (UTC)