Talk:Daniel Harvey Hill
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Special Order 191
Don't know much about the Civil War but came here after reading about Special_Order_191 - Hill, or one of his subordinates, failed to look after the order papers, leading to a narrow defeat at the Battle_of_Antietam. Fairly glaring omission from his biography? --Davoloid (talk) 16:57, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
- Might this have had something to do with Lee's mistrust of Hill's abilities? Valetude (talk) 18:31, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
But enough from me...
I'm hardly an authority on D. H. Hill; I was just saw that it was missing. I barely knew anything before I started the article. He seems to have have been a pain-in-the-neck kind of guy, but I didn't say that in the article; it just sounds POV. -- A D Monroe III 23:30, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The following text in the article is in error:
He took part in the Second Bull Run campaign in August-September 1862,
D. H. Hill’s Division did not participate in the Battle of Second Bull Run. He and his troops were stationed south of the James River. His assignment there was to make the withdrawal of General McClellan’s Army of the Potomac from Harrison’s Landing as difficult as possible. Hill was provided with an abundance of artillery to harass the Federal shipping on the river but he failed to organize more than token resistance. Lee recalled him as a division commander to the Army of Northern Virginia but did not arrive until the Battle of Second Bull Run (Manassas) had been fought.
The following text omits important facts and is misleading:
and in the Antietam campaign the stubborn resistance of D. H. Hill’s division in the passes of South Mountain enabled Robert E. Lee to concentrate for battle.
It is true enough that D. H. Hill’s division resisted stubbornly at South Mountain winning an additional 24 hours time for T. J. Jackson to complete operations at Harper’s Ferry and at least begin the return trip to Sharpsburg, Maryland. But this is not the complete truth. Although, General D. H. Hill had been at Boonsboro, Maryland for three days before the battle he had not inspected the South Mountain passes. As a result he was not aware that a road crossed the mountain at Fox’s Gap about one mile south of Turner’s Gap until he found Cox’s division occupying Fox’s Gap shortly after daylight on September 14, 1862. Apparently he did not recognize the significance of holding the South Mountain passes and he delayed ordering most of his troops to the mountain crest until September 14th. He was very fortunate not to loose his grip on the passes before Longstreet’s troops from Hagerstown arrived later in the day.
The text in the article would lead the reader to believe that D. H. Hill’s performance at South Mountain was above average when actually he was far luckier than he had a right to expect.
In conjunction with the battle of South Mountain on September 14, 1862 it would be interesting to discuss the known facts regarding the “Lost Dispatch.” The copy of Special Order 191 addressed to General D. H. Hill was lost and fell into the hands of Federal troops. The order was passed on to General McClellan gravely endangering the Confederate military effort in Maryland. Responsibility for the lost order has never been completely pinpointed.
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- I agree with the objection concerning D.H. Hill's participation in the Second Bull Run campaign. CSA Maj. Gen. A.P. Hill took part in the battle as one of Stonewall Jackson's divisional commanders. (David J. Eicher, The Longest Night: A Military History of the Civil War, p. 324.)
- In a report in the Official Records (Series I, Volume XIX, Part 1, p. 1019,) D. H. Hill accounted for his activities in this period thus:
On August 21, I left Petersburg to join the army in Northern Virginia, and was given command of McLaw's division and three brigades of my own division, at Hanover Junction. The brigades of Ripley and Colquitt, of my division, were in advance of us at Orange Court-House.
On August 26, we left Hanover Junction and joined General Lee at Chantilly on September 2, three days after the Yankees had been finally and decisively beaten in the second great battle of Manassas.
- I will remove the line from the article with my next edit. -- W Webb Research (talk) 21:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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West Point colleagues
D.H. Hill must have been at West Point with Grant, Sherman and many other big names of the future Civil War. Might be good to hear any friendships, enmities, anecdotes. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 01:01, 1 February 2011 (UTC)