Talk:Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Stuff

"...Timothy Patrick, Maura Russell, and John McCloskey" Could we put last names in here, if they're missing, as I suspect? After all, while it seems obvious the sons ought to have the same surname, it's not necessarily the case, and it leaves one wondering whether "Russell" is a middle name or married name. If those are all first name and last name only on account of their being stepsons or whatever, just ignore this request. -- JohnOwens 05:48 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)

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<< Could we put last names in here . . . >>

Go for it. -- NetEsq 06:01 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)

OK, after scoping a few news sources, I found a few that put Moynihan at the end of that phrase, which still doesn't make it clear whether it's supposed to apply to all three or just John. But I put that much on anyway, for now. If I find any mentions of "Timothy Patrick Moynihan", I'll patch it later. -- JohnOwens 06:30 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)

"Pat" not "Daniel"

In formal references, such as in news articles and on television, Moynihan was generally referred to by his full name, "Daniel Patrick Moynihan" (rather unusual for an American figure). However, those who want to use a shortened version of his name should take note that he was informally known as Pat Moynihan, not as "Daniel." Acsenray 19:53, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

making some changes regarding his gov't career in the 1960s

I am putting in the specifics of his jobs, I don't see any reason to write: "various cabinet and subcabinet posts". I also plan to include how his work contributed to the schism between the progressives and the more radical left in the early 60s. Morris 23:10, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

Nixon staff

what is that comment about "being one of the few intellectuals in the Nixon inner circle"? Unless someone can create an adequate objective definition of "intellectual" (a word more appropriate to European and Russian social classes, if there is any objective definition at all), that phrase should be removed. Or at least think of a better word than "intellectual."

-- I clarified that part of the article -- Morris 03:41, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

RE: Organizations and people who predicted the collapse of the USSR

I added Daniel Patrick Moynihan to [[Category:Organizations and people who predicted the collapse of the USSR]] because of this reference, which talks about organizations and people who predicted the Soviet Union would collapse:

Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan in a series of articles and interviews from 1979 onward discussed the possibility, indeed likelihood, of the breakup of the Soviet Empire.

Laqueur, Walter (1996). The Dream that Failed : Reflections on the Soviet Union. USA: Oxford University Press. ISBN: 0195102827.  p. 187

IRA

Isn't this guy the senator who used to provide the organisations that raised funds in the US for Irish Republican terrorism campaigns in the UK with political protection? If he is, it ought to be mentioned. Chicheley 22:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

recent edit needs some clarification

In the very long sentence below, is the bold part a direct quote, or is it the interpretation of the editor? If the latter, I believe that is is an oversimplification. I previously put a little bit on this point in the section of the article about the Nixon administration.

He authored some 19 books, including Beyond the Melting Pot, an influential study of American ethnicity which he co-authored with Nathan Glazer in 1963, followed by The Negro Family: The Case for National Action otherwise known as the Moynihan Report in 1965, which blamed the plight of black families on the fact that they are populated with black people; he ignored racism and official racist policy altogether; he referd to black families as a tangled web of pathology; in other words, it's there own fault thay are oppressed, The Politics of a Guaranteed Income (1973), Family and Nation (1986), Came the Revolution (1988), On the Law of Nations (1990), and Secrecy (1998). Morris 17:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

The Chomsky Misquote

I have editted "The Chomsky Misquote" : "The Department of State desired that the United Nations prove utterly ineffective in whatever measures it undertook [with regard to East Timor]. This task was given to me, and I carried it forward with not inconsiderable success."

and replaced it with the full quotation. See here http://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2004/09/an_intellectual.html for reference.

Boyhood?

I believe he grew up in Hell's Kitchen. Can someone confirm that? And if true, I think it should go in the article, since I believe he himself claimed that given his upbringing he should never have ended up where he did. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 14:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Moynihan, if remember correctly, was also generally considered to be the source of the phrase "defining deviance downward," referring to contemporary culture's tendency to become increasingly accepting of behavior that in the past would have considered sociopathic.

Flag Ammendment

How could he have voted against the flag burning ammendment if he was not only out of office (since 2001) but dead (2003) when the 2006 vote took place. Could someone please clarify this portion, the last paragraph under the Career in the Senate heading. Thank you. Kristamaranatha (talk) 02:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

• 2006 wasn't the only time this issue received a vote. The vote in question occured on March 29, 2000 on S.J.Res. 14. I've added that information to the article.DCmacnut<> 15:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Infanticide quote

"Too close to infanticide" as a quote got deleted for lack of a good reference. He probably said it, but the only people copying it nowdays on the web are pro-lifers and Republicans, not exactly good encyclopedic references since the quote is so controversial. I've run out of time. Anyone else want to take a crack at it? Student7 (talk) 14:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

dead link in footnote 14

The link for source for Moynihan's "sucker punch" in footnote 14 is dead. Stephengeis (talk) 13:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)