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Hi

Are fresh dates as high in fibre as say prunes or figs. Are there any dietry negatives to eating fresh dates as part of a low fat diet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.74.6.254 (talkcontribs) 15:00, 10 October 2004 No, I do not believe there is. In fact, it will help "clean" you out as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.75.34.66 (talkcontribs) 20:03, 24 March 2005 It doesnt look like they are as high, it only has a very thin skin which could be counted as fibre, the rest is mostly jelly like digestible carbohydrates, must more dense then dried figs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.100.165.143 (talkcontribs) 12:16, 25 January 2012

Page title[edit]

It is obviously pointless to have this page at Date, but I think it would be better placed at Date Palm than Date (fruit). Anyone object to a move? - MPF 18:24, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think we should leave it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.75.34.66 (talkcontribs) 20:03, 24 March 2005

Saddam Hussein and Dates[edit]

Could someone who is knowlegable on the subject of dates make their way to the following website: http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dates.html

After having read this could they better qualify the statements made about dates in the following article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Saddam_Hussein --Gantlord 14:45, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[Note: I have been raising dates in the USA for 30+ years. It looks as though this palm is cultivated since there do not appear to be thorns on the fronds. It is possible that this one bunch was not pollinated. Palms send out their flowers over a period of time. If the pollination was too late for the first bunch (or to early for the last bunch) a whole bunch may not have been pollinated. This is not uncommon and would not be surprising in a war torn year. Unpollinated dates would still be yellow in Dec. They may not ever ripen or at best will turn color in Feb. or Mar. but never be good to eat. Since they are not palatable, they are often left on the palm and cleaned at the following year's dethorning when fruit stalks are removed. Any way, they will still be yellow in Dec. added 4/20/06 by SoftMentor@aol.com] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.200.116.7 (talkcontribs) 09:28, 21 April 2006

Requested move 1[edit]

Discussion[edit]

Why is there no page on dates themselves, you don't search for apple and get apple tree at the top O.o 172.189.174.96 (talk) 16:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Dates are not fruit[edit]

This is a common misconception, this article on dates needs to be changed. dates are in fact the flower of the date palm. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=32749 Some Information — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olieviya (talkcontribs) 14:22, 1 July 2006

Botanically, the date is a fruit. I see nothing wrong with the article (nor do I consider everything2.com to be a very reliable source of information to quote from) - MPF 16:16, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, i just used that from lack of another on-line location and time constraints to finding one. Any encyclopedia of mediocre or higher repute found in any good library should provide ample evidence on the subject. The date is actually the flower, botanically or otherwise I do believe it is so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olieviya (talkcontribs) 19:39, 1 July 2006
No, it has flowers (small and inconspicuous) like any other flowering plant, which then mature into the fruit that you eat. Just the same as any other flower matures into fruit. - MPF 22:03, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, just wanted to add that dates are most definitely fruits, or more specifically berries (drupes), having a single seed or pit. Additionally, both the male and female tree have flowers, though only the female flowers will form fruit. I have not altered the main page, but here is a link supporting the fact that they are berries. [1] http://postharvest.ucdavis.edu/files/71533.pdf 60.234.229.163 (talk) 01:54, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Dates are fruits, those hard stuff inside them are the seed, it has not so exotic flowers thons of them on a small stalk, which gets grows with the fruits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.100.165.143 (talkcontribs) 12:16, 25 January 2012

Nurtition Chart from USDA using British spellings???[edit]

Why is the nutrition chart sourcing the USDA and referencing recomended calories in an American diet using British spellings? It makes it look like a fake. Jon 20:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I understood it was wiki policy that all spellings are standard english. Willow177 20:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Standard English relative to the article's subject, yes. Articles about American subjects should be written in American English; articles about British subjects should be written in British English. In this case, a chart referencing American sources should probably be written in American English.--chris.lawson 03:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

What makes Dates British- or American for that matter? I've removed the word "Commonly" from the sentence "Pitted Dates are commonly referred to as Stoned Dates" and substituted "Also". Here in the USA I have never heard of Stoned Dates. If someone feels strongly that Stoned takes precidence over Pitted, they are welcome ro revert the change.Saxophobia (talk) 01:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I would love to eat some "stoned" dates... Hashish would be fully sick here :) 122.200.166.68 (talk) 11:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Glazing Dates[edit]

Would anyone volunteer to add some information about the process of glazing dates? I believe you may find some in one of the FAO books in the external links section. Thanks, Sdudah 05:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

http://www.fao.org/docrep/t0681E/t0681e05.htm does that help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuxcrafter (talkcontribs) 13:04, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Gallery[edit]

I removed this gallery: ==Dates from [[Tunisia]]== <gallery> Image:Dattes-Ammari.JPG|Ammari Image:Tn Dates Angou.JPG|Angou Image:Dattes arichti.JPG|Arichti Image:1 Dattes Bejjou.JPG|Bejjou Image:Dattes-Bisr.JPG|Bisr Helou Image:Dattes deglet.JPG|[[Deglet Noor|Deglet]] Image:Dattes Gounda.JPG|Gounda Image:GousbiDates.JPG|Gousbi Image:Dattes Hamraya branche.JPG|Branche de dattes Hamraya Image:HissaDates.JPG|Hissa Image:HissaTNDates.JPG|Hissa Image: Dattes Kenta.JPG|[[Kenta]] Image:Dattes kentichi.JPG|Kentichi Image:Dattes Lagou.JPG|Lagou Image:Dattes-TN.JPG|Touzerzayet Image:Tn Dattes Trounja.JPG|Trounja </gallery>

Galleries are more appropriate at commons, then linked at the bottom. cygnis insignis 14:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Moved from correct botanical name to common name[edit]

Why has this page been moved from Phoenix dactylifera. Surely it would be best practice for date Palm to redirect to Phoenix dactylifera rather than the other way round. It just looks like another dumming down of Wikipedia as useful encyclopedia....--GazMan7 (talk) 18:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

There is some strange nonsense in this article under the heading Dates; I wonder whether it has been planted as some sort of private joke. There is no such thing as a genus called "huxetrinus diastilecus". The date palm is of the genus Phoenix. And it is not in the same "family" as the "common cherry" (what is a common cherry? there are many common cherries). A "family" has a precise taxonomic meaning. 16 Fe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.96.21.193 (talk) 13:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I removed the edit by 69.113.80.162 here, restoring the following:
The fruit is a drupe known as a date.
A third ip has made a contribution as well; it was left intact, but my restoration has fouled it a bit. cygnis insignis 15:38, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Native range?[edit]

There seems to be a contradiction between the introductory paragraph, which states that the native range of the date palm is probably north Africa, and the body of the article which states it originated around the Persian Gulf. Which is it? 209.86.226.36 (talk) 02:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Khajur[edit]

Khajur is the Urdu / Hindi word for date, it is NOT a variety of date. The term 'khajur' is used for any date irrespective of the variety. Your article incorrectly lists Khajur as a variety found in Pakistan/India. Pakistan has many different varieties like Halawi, Aseel, Begum Jhangi, Karbalai, Mazafati and so on. The word Khajur is synonymous with date as it is used in Urdu for all dates including those from Iran, the middle east and morocco. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.73.4.233 (talk) 10:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I noticed this as well. As a native Urdu speaker, "khajur" just means date. It is not a variety of date and should be removed. --24.87.60.41 (talk) 07:34, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Colour of Fruit[edit]

In the section Dates we are told: "...when unripe, range from bright red to bright yellow in colour, depending on variety." However, in the picture, we have some obviously unripe green fruit, but in another picture we have some (ripe) red fruit. What gives? 122.200.166.68 (talk) 11:11, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Range and Cultivation details and maps[edit]

No information is given on the kinds of climates / environments where date palms can 1. be grown 2. successfully fruit. Although yes, most people would immediately associate them with warm dry regions, there is obviously more to it than that (minimum temperatures, average temperatures, water requirements, soil requirements, sunlight requirements).

The range map that shows date production per hectare appears to have some inaccurate data. For example, it appears to indicate that some parts of northeast China (even southern Manchuria) grow date palms. I find that impossible to believe as those regions regularly experience severe, prolonged winter freezes. Similar doubts about some other areas such as northern interior Spain (although the winter climate is not as severe there).

Could there be a confusion with "Trebizond dates" the fruit of Elaeagnus orientalis / Elaeagnus angustifolia orientalis, a deciduous tree / shrub which is much more cold-hardy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.241.220.61 (talkcontribs) 21:22, 31 January 2011

Deir El Balah Translation[edit]

"Deir" is "Convent" and not "Village", so "Deir El Balah" should not be translated as: "Village of Dates", it should be "Convent of Dates" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cedro2010 (talkcontribs) 06:25, 8 August 2011

Date in Turkey?[edit]

Well as an ornamental plant maybe in southern coast. But Ankara with its steppe cold winters... The map is absurd at best. Anatolian climate is just not for date even in its warmest town Cizre, you just cant grow it. I do not understand how Azerbaijani provinces of Iran has that much yield either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.100.165.143 (talk) 12:11, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Move from Phoenix dactylifera to Date (fruit)[edit]

This article should be moved too Date (fruit) instead of its scientific name. This is outlined in the principles enunciated at WP:FLORA. Thanks. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 13:43, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

The WP:COMMONNAME of the fruit referred to by this article is "date", and I will make the move in 24 hours, if there are no objections. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 08:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I disagree moving it to Date (fruit) but if it was to be moved Date palm would be the better title since it isn't just about the fruit. Bidgee (talk) 08:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Makes sense. Thanks.Nearly Headless Nick {C} 09:46, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
If we look closely, most of the article is about the date fruit, not the palm tree, except the lead section. Similar articles exist, such as Apple (where Apple tree redirects to Apple). What do you think? — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 09:53, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia articles are about the whole plants not only the fruits.--Taranet (talk) 23:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

This is one of the most viewed articles about a plant (see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants/Popular pages), and perhaps THE most viewed article titled by scientific name where an unambiguous common name is available for a title. WP:FLORA certainly would support a common name title. I'd support a move to Date palm (unfortunately, date is ambiguous).Plantdrew (talk) 15:57, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Grown from cuttings ?[edit]

It is claimed that date palms are grown from cuttings. Palm trees only have one growth locus and can't be grown from cuttings.Eregli bob (talk) 12:12, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 2[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 18:07, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Phoenix dactyliferaDate palm – Page was moved from a more common name to a scientific name[1] with naming conventions being cited as the rationale. This rule normally applies only to plants that don't have a common name, which this tree does: Date palm. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 15:40, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

  • Comment This article is predominantly about dates (the fruit) and as such should be moved to Date (fruit). Once moved, a new article should be created for the taxon Phoenix dactylifera and the current article adjusted. This would follow the the example of grape (fruit) and Vitis vinifera (taxon) as outlined at WP:FLORA.--Melburnian (talk) 01:21, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
RE: If it ever gets expanded, separate articles can be made for Date (fruit) and Date palm. For now, there isn't enough content to warrant two separate articles. Also, "date palm" is the common name, therefore it should be renamed as such. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 09:29, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This discussion was not advertised appropriately, e.g. at WT:PLANTS, so few people participated. I strongly object to the move being made without adequate input. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

This requested move was listed by AAlertBot at Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants#Article alerts. Editors interested in the latest discussions regarding articles supported by a particular project should always look there, as there is no requirement or expectation that a comment be left on the project's talk page. Ibadibam (talk) 17:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
The relevant guideline is Wikipedia:FLORA#Scientific versus common names, which actually mentions WP:PLANTS. You may not expect to notify the plants Wikiproject when discussing changing the title of a plant article, but I do. Peter coxhead (talk) 20:19, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Yes, an announcement about this economically important plant should warrant more of a cooperative attitude to editing than that. Some readers of WP:plants (and there are apparently a lot of such people) might not want to look at the questions about moving one scientific name to another, such as the Picris echioidesHelminthotheca echioides move that just completed, but might have strongly held opinions about scientific versus common names! Also, 26th July to 2 August is a short interval to expect people to have seen Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants#Article alerts. This was definitely not advertised sufficiently. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 21:24, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm not going to comment on the merits of the move request, as I didn't participate in it and I have no opinion about it. You're certainly welcome to initiate a new move request so that the discussion can be reopened. All I'm trying to say is that WP:PLANTS was sufficiently notified — posting to project talk pages is not part of the WP:RM/CM procedure, and while I agree that it's courteous to do so, it's not something we can count on happening every time. I can only encourage you to keep up with your project's article alerts so you don't miss a discussion like this again. You can also add Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants/Article alerts to your watchlist if that's more convenient. Ibadibam (talk) 21:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

History of Dates[edit]

The way information is cited, i.e. (Author, Date), in the two first paragraphs of this section is wrong. I'm not qualified to change it myself since I'm no dates expert, but you should check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources for more details. Baldurmen (talk) 19:38, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

The revision that added the Kenoyer source didn't include a full citation even then, but I was able to locate the book and add a full citation. The revision that added the Alvarez-Mon source also didn't add a full citation, and I've been unable to identify the intended source. I have tagged the citation for improvement, for the time being. Ibadibam (talk) 20:20, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Date output map[edit]

Is the date output map correct? The location indicated for date output in the U.S. (the red dot) is the northeast. This can't be right. Shouldn't it be in the southwest where most dates are grown due to desert land? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.151.233 (talk) 00:34, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

That's not how it looks when I enlarge the map. It shows a scattering of green spots in the extreme south of California, and no red dot anywhere. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 18:30, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
I see the same thing as 98.119.151.233 in File:2005dattes.png included in the 'Production' section. There's a red dot in the vicinity of Buffalo, New York. Are you referring to File:DateYield.png listed in the 'Dates' section instead? Mindmatrix 19:46, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes indeed, I was looking at that other map. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 21:04, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Cultivars versus types[edit]

There is a list of cultivars, and a list of Saudi "types", with limited overlap. Perhaps these should be merged. Lavateraguy (talk) 15:26, 16 October 2013 (UTC)


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