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Dayananda Saraswati[edit]

This article needs to be a redirect page, directing to a disambig, which can differentiate between the 2 men, Swami Dayananda and Dayananda Saraswati (they are both swami's named Dayananda Saraswati). (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 21:53, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Done. Arundhati bakshi 20:48, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
What? Both redirect back here. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:07, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Hindutva and the Arya Samaj[edit]

In reference to the passage:

Dayananda and his Arya Samaj provide the ideological underpinnings of the Hindutva movement of the 20th century...

I think this leads one to draw the conclusion that Dayananda was the 'father' of the Hindutva movement and that the Arya Samaj is a Hindutva organization. (!) Regardless that the claim is sourced, it's about as accurate (and as loaded) as saying "Wagner provided the emotional and aesthetical climate necessary for the rise of National Socialism in early 20th century Germany". Ruthven's book(let) should be taken for what it is, A Very Short Introduction. Connecting the 'elevation of the Vedas' to 'nationalism' is a leap, and his reading of the 'myth of the Aryavartic kings' is simply wrong, based more on what he (and Hindutva leaders) wants to see in it rather than what's actually there. Besides, he isn't exactly famous for taking a NPoV ['Islamofascism', etc.]. (And I noticed that one particular user made sure this reference got spread around in every possible place relating to Dayananda...) It may be the case that members of the Arya Samaj are also members of Hindutva groups, but the Arya Samaj as an organization is most certainly not. The passage as it reads now borders on an association fallacy. Therefore, I think the statement should be adjusted to something like:

The ideology of Dayananda has been used to support the Hindutva movement of the 20th century.

...which I think is fair to both those for and against Dayananda.Varoon Arya 02:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I ran across an author which flatly contradicts the claim of Ruthven. Here is a peer review of her work:
The author (Olga V. Mezentseva) puts in doubt the view that Dayananda's teaching were the embrio of the ideology of "Hindu communalism". Dayananda subjected to criticism (from rationalistic positions) the four religious systems: Puranism (this was his term for traditional Hinduism), Jainism, Christianity ans Islam seeking to demonstrate the discrepancy of their theory and practice with the norms of morality, the principles of logical reasoning and information and findings constituting scientific knowledge. He proceeded from the assumption that his teaching were God's word "correctly understood", originally set forth in the Vedas but later subjected to significant distortions. Although criticisms of Islam occupied an insignificant place in his constructs the very intention of exposing "weak points" in religious systems in conditions of a multiconfessional country was fraught with certain complication. Nevertheless, it would be wrong to tie up the name of Dayananda with the idea of superiority of the Hindu on the basis of which the ideology of communalism was developed later. Speaking of the "Aryan community" in ancient times the reformer repeated, in reverse, the Christian thesis that "there exist neither a Hellene, nor an Israelite" implying that the "Aryan world" comprised all collectives of the ancient world irrespective of race. His attempt to rationally demonstrate the verity of a particular teaching served as a warning to subsequent generations of reformers. (Re: Olga V. Mezentseva, A World of Vedic Truths: The Life and Teaching of Swami Dayananda)
Mezentseva's work is based on an actual examination of the works of Dayananda, and not 20th century Hinduvta interpretations of the same. I will be looking for the book itself so it can be quoted, but I think this is already enough to give a solid counter-point to Ruthven and would like to include it in the near future.Varoon Arya 14:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
>I found the reference material for the book. The original title is Mir vediiskikh istin: Zhizn i uchenie Svami Daiianandy, O. V Mezentseva, IFRAN (1994); ISBN-10: 502017548X; ISBN-13: 978-5020175488 (Also, in case you're interested, Ms. Mezentseva is a member of the Soviet Institute of Philosophy.)Varoon Arya 21:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

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Random Anon. Comment[edit]

"SWAMI DAYANANDA WAS FIRST TO GAVE THE CONCEPT OF "SWARAJ""

I took this out of the article, as it borders on vandalism. However, the point is worthy of discussion and possible inclusion if true. Aryaman (☼) 13:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


Early Life[edit]

Last para of ealry life stats:


"why would Dayananda expect God to appear? he was questioning him. he had no faith.... A Brahmin who looses faith in God is no longer a Brahmmin."

Is this intended or act of vandalism? संजय (talk) 08:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Prove it that he had not faith that so called idol is not god go and read vedas and then come for discussion on it --Sandeep (talk) 06:18, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

assesment for wikipedia hinduism[edit]

references need major clean up. his philosophy and legacy need proper coverage (Sidsahu (talk) 15:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC))

I had added new references and cited contents if some user or contributer have any objection on this work of mine i will request him/her that please discusses hear before making any changes as all the content is cited and tried to managed properly. --Sandeep 09:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandeepsp4u (talkcontribs)

Inconsistencies[edit]

The birthname is given at the top as Mul Shankar, but as Dayananda Mulshankar in Early life.

In Early life, 'his family went to a temple for overnight worship', and in the next sentence, 'While his family slept'. Spicemix (talk) 05:43, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

what is inconsistency in this article we will both try to remove. Mul Shankar is his childhood name and Dayanand was his later one. regarding the going to temple for overnight worship and sleeping..... it is when they went to the temple for overnight worship and after its completion it was a tradation to wait there untill morning so during that waiting the family slept... what is wrong in this ???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandeepsp4u (talkcontribs) 10:27, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Full Name:Mulshankar Karasandas Tiwari[edit]

At the bottom of the article is says, Full Name:Mulshankar Karasandas Tiwari. Is this significant or just stray text to be deleted?   Will Beback  talk  19:22, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

no this was his childhood full name.. so it is important --Sandeep (talk) 10:29, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

WP:Honorifics[edit]

Is the "swami" used in WP:RS, Google Scholar? In ictu oculi (talk) 23:55, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Seems not...In ictu oculi (talk) 00:05, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

swami is shows his level of achivement its something like calling some sir, i don't find anything wrong in that. --Sandeep (talk) 10:24, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to change current title and exceptions in WP:Honorifics clearly allow the current title. Mike Cline (talk) 17:14, 9 November 2011 (UTC)



Swami Dayananda SaraswatiDayananda Saraswati – Relisted. --regentspark (comment) 16:10, 26 October 2011 (UTC) per (1) WP:Honorifics, (2) [Google Scholar]/WP:PSTS. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:05, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

  • Support. "Swami" is an honorific, not part of the subject's name.   Will Beback  talk  01:09, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

section Arya samaj[edit]

Some unsourced contents are added to this section which looks like allegation and must be sourced. I request the editor to cite the claim as i m unable to find any reference or i will proceed and remove those contents. --Sandeep (talk) 06:39, 20 March 2014 (UTC)