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2006[edit]

Reverted edit to record holder[edit]

I reverted this last edit [1] as I could find no reference to the name it was changed to using Google. The IP used to edit it has vandalized other pages during the same timeframe. If this was a valid edit, I suggest making a citation as to the source of the new information. Notary137 18:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Sucking tummy[edit]

"Sucking the tummy thin", as the article says, is dangerous. You actually need to brace the stomach muscles like you are about to take a blow there. This may involve sticking the stomach muscles out slightly, and produces positive abdominal pressure to support the weight. Sucking the belly in is the result of negative abdominal pressure (sucking is always the result of negative pressure), and may cause the back to round off, and does not support the lift properly. Fixing the article. -- Octothorn 15:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

2007[edit]

Bolton[edit]

Could we please state that Bolton did his lift on drugs and using extremely heavy duty gear, which helps to lift A LOT!! Why there is someone who keeps editing it back? User:74.98.218.153 03:30, 26 March 2007

irrelevant... steroids and equipment does very little to increase the deadlift. Bolton would still be lifting shitloads if he lived off lettuce and wore a tutu... User:172.206.21.78 22:06, 23 June 2007
I disagree... Why should the deadlift be somehow immune from the benefits of steroids and supportive gear? The record for the deadlift in the IPF (International Powerlifting Federation http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com) is 408 kilos, which is approximately 899.5 lbs. The IPF has an anti-doping policy and allows only minimal supportive gear. Why else (other than doping and supportive gear) should there be such a huge (100+ lbs) difference between the IPF record and Bolton's cheat lift? Also, if 'roids and supportive gear weren't necessary for Bolton's lift, why did he use them? 24.163.114.206 04:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Also, if the 'roids and supportive gear didn't help Bolton's lift, why do you want to remove this information from the article? This is a web site for information and truth, not for hiding information... 24.163.114.206 04:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Note: at 04:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC) Psramka edited the above two statements (I disagree... hiding information...) of the IP posts, indicating that they are claiming that they are the author of those statements. Bonechamber (talk) 13:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Can we get something clear here, the IPF uses testing, and I know several IPF lifters that use AAS but they can pass the tests when nessesary so stop the idealistic non steriod quotes. The deadlift suit used by Bolton was actually IPF approved, so end that one there! Andy has done a triple with 410kgs RAW (I have a vid of this). No matter what anyone says, there is not a single person in the world other than him who can lift over 1000lb of the floor, no matter what drugs were used. If a sprinter runs the 100m faster than anyone else, if he is on drungs he is stil the fastest man on earth. You guys who claim AAS are not used by so and so and so on are kidding yourselves. User:195.188.144.137 10:59, 19 October 2007
Are you an idiot? Have you never ever competed? Everyone who has ever lifted in powerlifting knows full well a deadlift suit offers pretty much sod all vs a squat or bench shirt, perhaps an extra 10kgs if you're lucky. Ben Jonhson was stripped of his medal, BUT, he did win the race, and Carl LEwis knew for a fact when it came down to it he was NOT the fastest man on the planet. You guys who claim AAS are not used by so and so and so on are kidding yourselves, the NFL, Rugby and IPF all use AAS, it is not pysiologially possible to lift such weights otherwise, grow up, get an education and stop being idealistic. Nobody wants to see the guy who almost lifted 1000lb clean, they want to see the first guy to ever pull 1000lb off the floor. Is it in the record books, yes, so shut it, see if you can do it on drugs!!!! then tell me it isn't amazing! If they are available and knowing used by most, and you choose not to, it's your choice, but don't chasitse those who do. I bet you all jump on the newest creatine products etc, casue you find that level of stuff naturally in food don't you. But wait, you are natural!!! RAFLMAO!!!! Different levels of natural are there!! User:90.192.7.186 02:22, 21 October 2007

Repetition[edit]

Too much repetition, sloppy language. User:130.76.96.15 20:28, 10 July 2007

Stiff-legged/romanian deadlift = Good morning?[edit]

Have a look at the Good-morning article and especially the image used there [2] - isn't that a stiff-legged or romanian deadlift? Might be worth mentioning the similarities --Tierlieb 19:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

The Good morning has the bar in the neck, as with the Squat. The image used on [3] is a straight-leg deadlift. Complete different exercise than the Good morning. I'll edit the Good morning article. Stronglifts 09:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Diagram[edit]

Added the requested diagram Yupi666 21:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC) added the requested diagram and removed the diagram needed User:Yupi666 21:12, 16 June 2007

  • That is a crap diagram. It doesn't give you any indication of what's going on with the angle of the back. It doesn't even look like a person. User:130.123.128.114 04:00, 26 July 2007
Agreed. In fact, the diagram appears to show the person looking down while doing the deadlift. This is actually dangerous form, and it can lead to back problems because looking down increases the likelihood that the person's back is arched. One should always look forward while doing the deadlift because an arched back is a surefire way to injure oneself. KyleGoetz (talk) 06:39, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I totally agree the diagram does not show form and as KyleGoetz said the fact that the face looks down and not straight is dangerous. I believe that a diagram showing form for the deadlift should be taken side on to show the back kept straight, face forward and angle of the lift. Koal4e (talk) 17:18, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Looking down while deadlifting means keeping a neutral spine, as the torso is inclined forward in the deadlift setup position. There's nothing unsafe about it. 76.99.24.196 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:52, 26 February 2010 (UTC).

2009[edit]

WPO Record[edit]

I added a video of Benedikt Magnusson lifting the record under WPO rules (1,100 pounds). The original entry lists Benedikt as the record holder, but only shows the video Andy Bolton breaking the Olympic record (1,003 pounds). Not sure if the record variations should be clarified in the main article or not - but I thought if we're going to show one record holder doing it, the record holder actually mentioned here should also be shown. Ward99 (talk) 01:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

2010[edit]

Who took out my note about steroids and world records[edit]

The records are fake, stop hiding it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.14.106 (talk) 19:53, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

What's your source? If you don't have a reliable source, your biased personal opinions and viewpoints should not be included. Please review WP:OR for further clarification and refrain from re-adding the material.--Yankees76 (talk) 16:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Concentric only?[edit]

"It is, in a sense, the purest test of strength because it is one of the few lifts of dead weight (weight lying on the ground). In most other lifts there is an eccentric (lowering the weight) phase followed by the concentric (lifting the weight) phase; the deadlift is just a concentric movement."

As the lowering of the weight back to the floor is a necessary part of the deadlift you do not only have a concentric movement. The deadlift is not different from pretty much any other exercise in that aspect, cause normally exercises consists of two parts.

In the first part you move something and in the second part you move back to return to the starting position. As the movement in the second part is normally the same as in the first part (only backwards), you always have a concentric and eccentric phase. So, the deadlist (1. part: lift weight 2. part: lower weight) is not different from other exercises, e.g. squats (1. lower, 2. raise), pull-ups (1. raise, 2. lower), push-ups (either 1. raise, 2. lower or 1. lower, 2. raise) and every other exercise.

This really is a necessity as well, because if you move and then move back you just have concentric and eccentric parts. The only way to avoid it is using tools (e.g. negative pull-ups only) or not to go back to the starting position. But as part 2 (moving back to the starting position) is necessary to perform more than 1 rep, there are actually very few exercises which do not involve concentric AND eccentric phases. --78.54.17.43 (talk) 21:20, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

  • In powerlifting competitions, the bar is dropped. It doesn't require any special tools to remove the eccentric component. You lift the bar, you drop it. The same is true of olympic weightlifting (though those do contain some eccentric components since the lift is spread into different motions due to the added complexity). Bonechamber (talk) 13:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

2011[edit]

Youtube video that keeps getting added[edit]

To overview section by User:121.210.29.8

First off, video links absolutely do not belong in the overview section. Notable videos may go in the external links.

Second, a video of what I assume is yourself (possibly your friend) deadlifting is absolutely not notable. You (or your friend) are not famous, nor a record holder, nor an expert in the subject.

Third, and speaking informally, that isn't perfect form. It isn't even reasonably good form. It's terrible form. The performer is bouncing the weight, which removes the "dead" from the deadlift, and arching their back at the top, which is asking for injury. Go read Starting Strength and re-learn how to deadlift.

Wikipedia is not your personal vanity project. --Cyningaenglisc (talk) 16:21, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

World record discrepancy[edit]

How is the raw (no suit, belt allowed) record 1015 yet the equipped (suit allowed) record is only 1009? This seems pretty perplexing, normally a suit is designed to ADD weight someone can deadlift, right? Yet the most people have done is 6 pounds less? I understand the tire deadlift being higher since it allows straps and also because usually the bar bends more. Bonechamber (talk) 13:49, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

It's legit. Deadlift suits don't help all that much. A lot of guys can lift more without (Benny Magnusson, Zydrunas Savickas). Benny Magnusson's WR was raw, and beat the old suited record. It was quite a feet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.7.102.135 (talk) 06:30, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Deadlift record under 18 and under 181 lbs[edit]

Definitely inaccurate, take a look on youtube and bodybuilding.com, and you will easily see people under 180 lbs under age 18, that can lift 550+. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.219.187 (talk) 05:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

The edit was vandalism or a vanity edit (someone adding their own name to a record). It happens frequently on article such as this. --Yankees76 Talk 21:52, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

World Record Section[edit]

Why do we even have a world record section in here? The Hummer Tire Deadlift record is pretty insignificant - it's not reproducible, can only be set in 1 contest a year that only invites 10 people, etc. And someone keeps vandalizing it anyway. Just link to powerliftingwatch's records.

Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.7.102.135 (talk) 06:33, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Why not to have this World Record section in this article dear unidentified IP address. And even if the Hummer Tire Deadlift is exclusively held in Arnold Strongman competition that too once a year, it is pretty much worth mentioning as it will be of use to people researching on deadlifts. And those 10 people that are invited in the competition are few of the strongest guys from the continent, so the achievement is noteworthy. Amit Dash (talk) 11:19, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

The record for the single handed deadlift is 330.0 kg (728 lb) by Hermann Görner in Leipzig 1920.[4][edit]

Can we skip this? Because it obviously didn't happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.226.239.38 (talk) 19:26, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

2014[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Forgirl023/sandbox

Gears[edit]

To avoid accidents from happening while performing deadlifts, prepare yourself with proper gears are recommended. Some example of lifting gears would be

  • Knee wraps - Knee wraps are designed to absorb stresses from your knees. The are long and heavy which can stretch out to about twenty feet long.
  • Wrists warps - Wrist wraps are not only for deadlifts, they can be also be used for bench press, and any other heavy lifting exercise that require wrist supports.
  • Belts - The benefits from power lifting belts are beyond people's expectation, it "increases intra-abdominal pressure, which stabilizes your entire midsection,"[1] especially when you are performing a heavy movement like squat and deadlift, which requires a lot of stability and core strength.
  • But basic training gears would be acceptable for beginners as well, for example, training/running shoes , t-shirt, and shorts.

Setup[edit]

Different variation of deadlift require different setup, but essentially are,

  • Feet Posision - A proper feet placement is very important for deadlifting. Make sure you always want your shins to be as close as possible to the bar. This allows you to lift the bar up without shifting your core toward to the bar. It can also ensure the weight from swing back and hit your shin or forward and put more pressure on your spine. [2]
  • Stance Width - Except for sumo deadlift, place your feet slightly wider than shoulder width. Feet should be parallel to each other or slightly pointing to the sides. If you are a beginner and you don't know how to place your feet, try to jump vertically a couple of times. The landing position of the feet will be your deadlift stance. [3]
  • Bar Grip Width - Place your arms completely straight and perpendicular to the floor. Tighten your shoulders and arms, make sure your arms are in a position as close as your body possible. Narrower grip than shoulder width will force your shoulder blades to come forward and injury might occur. [4]
  • Conventional deadlift (Standard deadlift): Conventional deadlift, also called standard deadlift, is a type of deadlift which performed with your feet approximately shoulder width with a static bar as the starting position. Standard deadlifts embodied all kinds of deadlift, thus it includes all the foundation movement of deadlifts.
    • First, place your arms on the bar as the techniques we have discussed,
    • Second, sit back NOT sit down; when you sit back, you allow yourself to maintain the center of gravity at the proper point and also maintain the tightness of your body, which both would make the lift much easier. [5] Lift the bar as your want to push your feet through the floor, let your legs do most of the motions in the lower range.
    • After the bar leaves the floor, bring your chest up and hips forward at the SAME time. You want to do them simultaneously because by doing one without the other would stimulate only one part of your body to lift the bar, which will put a lot of pressures on them. [6]
    • Finally, to lockout means by having a full extension of your knees and hips and pulling your shoulders tight. ATTENTION, be sure not to exaggerate the movement by pulling your back too hard because this will cause to arch your lower back.[7]

Alternations[edit]

Instead of using the bar, which require performers to load up weight, there are other alternatives which mimicked barbell deadlift.

File:Kettle-bell deadlift.png
kettlebell deadlift
  • Dubbell or Kettlebell Deadlift
  • Trapbar deadlift - is a variation of the deadlift using a special U-shaped bar (a trapbar). This allows more clearance for the knees to pass "through" the bar. To perform the trapbar deadlift, one loads the bar, steps inside the hollow portion of the bar, bends down, grasps the handles, stands erect, then lowers the bar to the ground in the exact opposite path. Proponents of trapbar deadlifts include Hardgainer Magazine, Bob Whelan, the Cyberpump website, and Dr Ken Leistner and iron-game writer Paul Kelso.

Benefits[edit]

Proper deadlifts training can result in various area

  • Improve absolute strength, speed strength, rate of force development, flexibility, and core stability
  • Improve soft tissue and bone strength
  • Reduce the likelihood of various injuries during sport and activities of daily living

Common mistakes[edit]

  • 1. Wrong hips movement - Many lifters, even intermediate lifters, make the same mistakes on using their hips during the movement. The right hips movement should be "hips forward and back" but not "hips up and down". As we have discussed in the conventional deadlift techniques above, we should push our hips toward to lift the bar up (while also using your quads). But to initiate the lowering phase of the movement, you should also cooperate your hips movement, pushing your hips backward to bring down the bar instead of bending your back (spine) to do so. [8]
  • 2. Not pushing through the heels - By pushing through the heels, you can engage your gluteus and hamstrings more efficiently. [9]
  • 3. Standing too far away from the bar - The further you stand away from the bar, the more work your body has to do. You can visualize from carrying grocery bags, the closer you place the bags to your body the easier to lift them up. [10]
  • 4. Back Lockout - To complete a proper lockout, you should lock it with your gluteus, by squeezing them together a complete hip extension can be completed. People mistaken the proper lockout by extending their back to fully extend their body, but that might result in hyperextend backward and tweak their lower back. [11]
  • 5. Rushing to the top - When extending too fast to the top, lower back has to extend from neutral to rounded position. And the result would be bizarre. [12]