Talk:Deathspell Omega

Post-Surrealist?

This phrase is pretty meaningless on its own. Additionally, just because Bataille had a heated rivalry with Andre Breton in the 1920s doesn't make him a "post-surrealist." Throughout his life he continued to associate with various people who were or had been involved in the surrealist movement, and even put aside his differences with Breton. If anything, scholars who study him or surrealism have reincorporated his work into the wider context of surrealist activity (which of course wasn't limited to Breton's group). Not that much of this is relevant to Deathspell Omega, particularly since they aren't really interested in Bataille in terms of a surrealist context, and using "post-surrealist" as the only title is rather reductive. Why not just say they are influenced by Bataille, as well as Heidegger, de Sade, and various theologians? Readers can go to the Georges Bataille article to read about his associations with surrealism. --Vlad the Impaler (talk) 19:18, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Correct title

Please, stop changing "Requiris" to "Requires"; the former is correct. DE 04:25, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Are you referring to the Latin phrase itself? The album title is clearly "Requires". If this is a mistake on the band's part, maybe that should be noted rather than adhering to a spelling not conventionally used in reference to the album.--Culmination 06:21, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

The album title is "Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice." (Requires with an e), whereas the original phrase (which is written in the St. Paul's Cathedral) is "Lector, si monumentum requiris, circumspice." (requiris with an i). The album title translates to "If you seek His monument, look around you.", the St. Paul's Cathedral version translates to "Reader, if you seek a monument, look around you.". You can also read about the latter in the Sir Christopher Wren article. So before mindlessly changing one of the phrases again, look at the context and see if it really has to be changed! Album title: REQUIRES Original phrase: REQUIRIS --unregistered, 11:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC+1)

I am very doubtful of those translations. As far as I know my latin, "si monumentum requires" would translate to "If you will seek a monument" as writing an "e" instead of the "i" merely changes the tense from present to future. I changed the translation accordingly because I could not find any source where, for instance, the band explains what their album title is meant to signify. Mauditporc 10:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I removed the "Members" pat, simply because the band has never released who they are. I've added a paragraph to the end of the page explaining this situation and telling who the alleged members are. If someone could link a source (though what kind of source could we have for allegations?) it would be fantastic. 217.131.74.32 (talk) 14:57, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I can see that there is now a line-up section, with the same guesswork as everywhere else (namely: a copy paste from Metal Archives, whose information is also unsourced). As someone who owns all albums from "Si Monumentum ..." to "The Long Defeat" in a physical format, I can confirm that none of these works list any information about the line-up. A voice may be recognizable, but you need a very sophisticated ear and a lot of knowledge to identify who plays any of the instruments, and I very much doubt any of the contributors here can provide accurate information.

As far as relevant sources are concerned: a 2019 interview with Deathspell Omega in Bardo Methodology (once again, no names are provided) reveals that not only are there many contributors to the band, but they also vary from one album to the other, with a French "core" and many other foreign members gravitating in what they refer to as a "second circle" --- see http://www.bardomethodology.com/articles/2019/06/23/deathspell-omega-interview/ . "The Long Defeat", in particular, is no longer host to a unique vocalist, and I haven't seen anyone try to name names this time. 212.239.205.162 (talk) 18:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Post-surrealism is not a thing, at least not when it comes to Georges Batailles

Like Vlad said, the term post-surrealist should not be associated in any way with Bataille. He wrote during about the same period and is sometimes refered to as some sort of fellow traveler of Breton even though the two had a tumultuous relationship.

The fact remains that the post-surrealism page here on wiki is not connected in any way with Georges Bataille but people may see it next to his name and its just spreading confusion at this point.

I would take it off. A lot of artists, writers and philosophers contributed to surrealism after what may be referred to as historical surrealism (the period surrounding the publishing of the two manifestoes) but they're not POST-surrealisme per se. Just because something is coming after an art movement doesn't mean it's post-the art movement itself.

Like Vlad mentionned, I would list Bataille along with other thinkers and theologians. Less confusion this way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord auch (talk • contribs) 22:25, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

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Nazism?

You have to be kidding me. There is no reference for Niklas Göransson allegedly being the frontman of Sigrblot (whose members are anonymous as far as I know), so this can easily be interpreted as libel, which is why I removed that assumption. Don’t add it without proper references. As I knew the interview he did (but checked anyway), I remember the band stated being immune to mundane politics as a result of studying and being influenced by Georges Bataille, not to forget the quote on members standing on completely opposite ends of the political spectrum and therefore being irreconcilable political foes. That doesn’t exactly make them a Nazi band. An ideological rift within a band isn’t that special, by the way. This was also the case with the Ramones (featuring a conservative NRA fanboy and a Jew) and Mayhem (Euronymous being a Devil worshipper with a communist background, some other members tending more to the far right). Should we therefore call the Ramones a Jewish right wing band or classify Mayhem as NSBM? On an unrelated matter, the article should be improved by separating band history, musical style, and lyrics/concept/ideology. --2003:F5:FF1C:E900:A556:9187:52D3:607B (talk) 16:09, 22 January 2023 (UTC)