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- 1 Disambiguation
- 2 Overall
- 3 Grease
- 4 Mojo Nixon
- 5 Deborah Gibson & Tiffany
- 6 Trivia Section
- 7 Playboy?
- 8 Part Italian?
- 9 Discography
- 10 Copyedit
- 11 Update information
- 12 Re: Upcoming news, performances, events, projects
- 13 I made some edits
- 14 Re: Personal Life
- 15 Tone of Article
- 16 Lesbian/Bisexual
- 17 Beta Navbox
- 18 DG's birth name
- 19 Foreclosure allegations
- 20 Stalkers
- 21 Question...
Someone has competely erased everything, including factual chart positions, from this entry and has replaced it with shotty photographs. The entry for Deborah Gibson needs to be completely scrapped and a new entry entirely needs to be written.
- I wouldn't disagree with the last comment but I honestly don't think tedious lists of chart positions (probably US charts at that) are the answer. We need a factual, neutral, thoughtful and well-written summary of Deb's career to date. The odd photo I think we can live with. I actually am a fan of Deb's and have been for the last 20 years, and I think she deserves better. -GL
- I concur in this assessment. As a musician and prospective recording artist myself, accuracy is everything when an NPOV story is requested. I have actually followed several known stars' careers and relay a need for additional articles where warranted, e.g. at least three concerning Deborah: (a) her celebrity scent at a now-defunct Revlon subsidiary (to be titled Electric Youth (fragrance) ); (b) a new musical that she scored, scripted by Dean Parker (to be titled Electric Youth (musical) ); and (c) a disambiguation article related to these two and the existing articles Electric Youth (viz., Atlantic LP 81932) and Electric Youth (song) (viz., Atlantic 88919 and DM 86427). I already have a reformatted discography in the works for the main Deborah Gibson article, and a question relating thereto: Do singles and maxi-singles still need to be listed distinctly vs. the albums? B.C.Schmerker 05:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
This entry has definitely gone downhill and now reads like a trashy magazine article. Severe editing is in order. - GL
The article reads like a fan site entry, I have tagged it for NPOV.
I have replaced some of the acres of tedious gushing prose with previous versions which were briefer as well as more neutral restrained and appropriate. It is marginally better at the moment. - GL
This is a terrible entry! Who wrote this drek, Deborah's manager? It sounds like hype. She was not the "reigning" pop princess in the '80s! Tiffany was. Everyone knows that. This article needs to be revised or altogether scrapped.
There are a couple of obsessive contributors who keep heaping garbage into this entry, which is a great pity. I took off the NPOV tag but have put it back now. I suppose the crap being added is harmless since it is so blatant ... - GL
- The current /wiki/Deborah_Gibson (as of 10 May 2007) still has SERIOUS perspective issues. Recommend tagging this article with Template:Fansite. As for my own replacement in beta (see User:B.C.Schmerker), I am still awaiting review and source double-checks. - B.C.Schmerker 05:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Update: I have moved my beta to User:B.C.Schmerker/Deborah Gibson (beta) as part of a Userspace reconfiguration. - BCS 13:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed an apparent rewrite (entirely different from my own, which is still beta) with mention of quotes from Ms. Gibson of which I was previously unaware. What sources? - B.C.Schmerker 14:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
The following phrasing is suspect: she played Sandy in a West End production of Grease. To go with her stage performance, she also helped record the soundtrack for the play, titled "Grease: The Original London Cast Recording". From that CD, came a hit single with Craig McLachlan: "You're the One That I Want", which reached #13 on the UK charts in 1993.
It sounds like a fanboy trying to make the feat sound more impressive than it is. Cast Recordsings of musicals, especially successful ones, are nothing new. It's not a "soundtrack for the play." I'm going to reword this. Pacian 09:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- You're reading to much into the original wording. You can call it soundtrack for the play, because that's literally what it is. You're wording says the literally same thing, so I'm not changing it. It's really no big deal. --Rob 09:26, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
From what I have seen of record-label behavior, the "new" version of "You're the One That I Want" was almost certainly intended as a promotional aid for the album Grease - Original London Cast Recording. RSO did the same thing with the Olivia Newton-John/John Travolta single in the late 1970's. - B.C.Schmerker 14:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Somebody put this college performer (Mojo Nixon) back in the article. It's now shown Mojo is notable enough to have his own article (barely), but the song is not notable. It wasn't on the charts, and the artist is an extremely obscure college performer. Now something by "Weird Al" Yankovic would be notable, and worth mentioning. --rob 06:47, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
- ...Released in 1989, Root Hog or Die continued his success on college radio with the tabloid-themed "Debbie Gibson Is Pregnant With My Two-Headed Love Child." However, MTV banned the video, which starred Winona Ryder...   I would think having something banned by MTV would give a certain notability.
- BTW, I'm not a fan of his. I don't own any of his CD's. However, I wouldn't call him "extremely obscure" either. I've heard this song (and other of his) played on non-college radio stations (in Colorado Springs, back in the day). --Barista | a/k/a マイケル | T/C 07:01, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
- Banned? Yah, that's what somebody who's so obscure they can't get played says. There are truly famous people who have had videos banned by MTV, but he's not one of the famous ones. --rob 07:06, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
- From the same article In 1987, Nixon released the even more successful Bo-Day-Shus!!!, which became his first album to make the national charts thanks to what became his best-known song, "Elvis Is Everywhere." MTV not only embraced the video, but invited Nixon to film a series of short rants that ran during commercial breaks. He wound up as a periodic host for the channel during 1988. --Barista | a/k/a マイケル | T/C 07:13, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
- Suggestion, make a Trivia section (it doesn't belong in bio, since it's not about her life), then say something like "Occasional MTV host known for Elvis is Everywhere, sang .........". Use the MTV url (which has cred), and not the music store url (which is worthless). Then, we can take a look, and see. --rob 07:32, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
- IMDB trivia section - Some other points that could be worth mentioning (completely reworded of course), without interuppting her bio. --rob 07:44, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
- Seems good the way it is now. Thanks. --rob 08:57, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
- Re: Mojo Nixon: Recommend putting mention of hosting Total Request Live in the Trivia subsection of the Mojo Nixon entry; to my knowledge Deborah was never on TRL, which postdated her "teen-queen" sales period of 1988-90. I saw neither mention of her for 2000 when "What You Want" was released to Viacom for promotional use. - B.C.Schmerker 14:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I've done some research on "'Two-Headed Love Child" and found the song, along with most of McMillan and Banke's other works from 1988-89, to be libelous scenarios. Gibson wasn't mating with anyone prior to 2005, so pregnancy was out of the question. - B.C.Schmerker 14:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
(For updated referencing w/r/t Gibson see (beta version) User:B.C.Schmerker/Deborah Gibson (beta)#Adverse treatment in the media.)
Deborah Gibson & Tiffany
- For my still-in-beta rewrite (see User:B.C.Schmerker/Deborah Gibson (beta)#The Atlantic Years, 1986—1994), I saw the information on Tiffany (singer) as needful to provide context for Deborah Gibson's situation as of the Dream Tour, since Atlantic Records and MCA Records were locking themselves into a teen-princess sales race that would decide whether Gibson would even get an album in the first place. Recommend expansion of the appropriate section of Teen idol with detail of the record labels' stakes in teen-star success. - B.C.Schmerker 05:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Wikilink amendment to sync with userspace reconfig. - B.C.Schmerker 05:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
The entries in this section should have a reference like any other fact added to a Wikipedia article. I've been working on another article Enola Gay where the "Enola Gay in Pop Culture" section has been flooded with entries by unregistered users who don't adequately explain what the relation is between the entry and the article.
If anyone has a take on this, please let me know. Davidpdx 13:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Even trivia must have some basic level of quality or interest, and the latest addition (relating to the Playboy issue) which I have not deleted though tempted to just about scrapes the bottom of the barrel. Now I have deleted it, it was downright offensive -GL
I don't remember hearing about this, but I have a friend who insists he can pull out the issue that he has...somewhere. Anybody know about this? I am skeptical.
Have you tried doing a google search? Yes, it is true, she posed nude in Playboy http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=deborah+gibson+playboy
Quite - she really did do it. The entry as it currently stands (13 March 2007) accurately reflects, or perhaps understates, the reaction of some fans who felt outraged and insulted by Deb's decision. - GL
- From what other sources I have read, most of her fan base is still used to the "prim-and-proper" that has been a part of teen-prince- and -princessdom since the 1950's. Gibson has very much matured out of that. I currently have an outline in the works for a situation comedy where Gibson's music would be right at home, and her 2005 single "Naked," which I had a chance to audition, would actually make a nice wedding- or anniversary-night theme; risqué as the subject matter is, this song is not at all vulgar or "foul-mouthed." (I cannot recommend proceeding with a video for this song, however; remember the problems Madonna had with "Sex"?) - B.C.Schmerker 14:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I've seen it somewhere, I don't remember where and I don't know if you can find the source credible...
You can find this information in her 1989 book "Between the Lines" (co-written with Mark Bego). Her mother's family is Italian. - signed by anon IP
- Was she known to be Jewish? I always thought Debbie (Deborah) Gibson was of Jewish parentage, and she admitted to observe Judaism on biographical accounts. She should be included in the category Jewish American vocal artists, along with Madonna, Carole King, Carly Simon and Paula Abdul. + 188.8.131.52 (talk) 06:20, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I am currently drafting a rewrite and need some information not on the archive at Deb.org/discography, as follows: (a) Catalog numbers, release dates and chart zeniths for M.Y.O.B., "What You Want" (maxi-single), "Your Secret" (maxi-single), "M.Y.O.B." (maxi-single), Colored Lights: The Broadway Album, "Naked" (single and/or maxi-single), "Famous" (single and/or maxi-single); (b) Track titles and durations for all releases from "What You Want" to "Famous." GIF's of album covers for M.Y.O.B. and Colored Lights: The Broadway Album, plus all known singles and maxi-singles, would be appreciated (fair use). Please post the above data, plus links to suitable GIF's, to User talk:Schmerker120#Discography_addenda. - B.C.Schmerker 05:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Further update: Deconstruction Records has not been active since 2000, so, having no evidence to the contrary, I deleted that reference. I suspect Deborah will be with a Sony BMG label, given the fact that Sony Music Manufacturing and GMI had a close working relationship in the Espiritu and Golden Egg eras; most likely Epic-Legacy, as is already the case with AC/DC, Ted Nugent and some other former Atlantic artists. - B.C.Schmerker 07:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Further update 2: Deborah-Gibson.com has quietly dropped further mention of a ninth studio album (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deborah Gibson IX). What evidence do we have that this album project has been abandoned? - B.C.Schmerker 13:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Further update 3: The Neal Pogue mention is back, /news/index6.shtml at Deborah-Gibson.com. No estimated release date this time. Admin has apparently decided to delete
Deborah Gibson IX (a working-title article that I stubbed for purposes of discussion), with which I concur. Recommend no further action on a ninth-album article until details are available in sufficient quantity. - B.C.Schmerker 04:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
- Deletion executed 11:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC). - BCS]
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I have updated the External Links section from a beta rewrite project to correct unsourced-statement issues (see #Overall above) and added a discography/filmography summary, Template:Deborah Gibson, to the Article. Recommend further cleanup to address pre-existing issues. - B.C.Schmerker 06:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Re: Upcoming news, performances, events, projects
I have to object to the section Upcoming news,performances,events,projects—the procedures resemble a now-deleted "working title" article I did back in May 2007 for an album which I understand to be in the early stages of production as of 03:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC) (Main article: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deborah Gibson IX). The tone is NOT in keeping with an encyclopedia, and in fact resembles news from Deborah-Gibson.com too closely for comfort. I found that Deborah-Gibson.com is actually encoded so as to minimize the chances of a spam inclusion such as has apparently occurred herein. - B.C.Schmerker 03:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I made some edits
- Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names): Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things. GreenJoe 01:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Re: Personal Life
I found the current Personal Life section too terse for an encyclopedia. I don't yet have all the references for my beta rewrite under construction, but it should give other Editors a better idea of a Manual of Style-compliant layout. - B.C.Schmerker 06:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Tone of Article
Does anyone else find that the titles of each section in this article read like a teenybopper magazine? I mean, "Pop Princess"? "Broadway Starlet"? This does not read encyclopedic at all. I'm going to change it to something that's not as POV. Any help or suggestions in improving the tone of this article would be great. MgCupcake 03:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- I notice the same problem rather consistently. I have a rewrite in the works (Main Article: User:B.C.Schmerker/Deborah Gibson (beta)) but it's still short of reference data as of this post; it may give you a good example of a Manual of Style-compliant layout, however. - B.C.Schmerker (talk) 17:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
So now we know that Debbie performs at many LBGT gatherings and is an avid supporter of LBGT causes, is it possible that Debbie herself is either a lesbian or a bisexual person? or is she just a complete heterosexual who happens to have respect for LBGT people and is willing to fight for thier rights? (much like Barbara Streisand,Al Sharpton, Nancy Pelosi and others) 184.108.40.206 (talk) 21:14, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- No, it's not possible. Of course it's possible. But unless it's verifiable fact, speculation on it is not appropriate for the article. TJRC (talk) 22:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
This is a rumor that has existed for several years and at least twice Deborah has denied it. The first time was in her interview with The Advocate in I think the January 1993 issue. She was also asked about her sexual preference on her October 1995 appearance on The Howard Stern Show and she professed to be heterosexual. ZeroSnake (talk) 17:32, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I have an expanded Navbox Musical artist under construction, which includes several additional Groups over the present Template:Deborah Gibson to address the full extent of Gibson's projects in music and musical theatre (Main Template: User:B.C.Schmerker/Nav boxes/Debbie Gibson (beta)); I referred to my beta rewrite for more accurate date data than this Article has had in recent months for the Musicals group (Main Article: User:B.C.Schmerker/Deborah Gibson (beta)). What amendments are suggested from reviewers of this Article? B. C. Schmerker (talk) 01:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Update: Please post detail comments on the beta Navbox to User talk:B.C.Schmerker/Nav boxes/Debbie Gibson (beta). B. C. Schmerker (talk) 18:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
DG's birth name
I seem to recall quite clearly that on DG's first album (actually, that folded paper inside the cassette tape) her birthname was listed as DEBRITA, not Deborah (she changed it to Deborah as a teenager, and then went by Debbie). I have yet to google it, but I'm sure I'll find it somewhere. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 04:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
- I happen to have a copy of Atlantic CS 81780-4, and in fact Deborah is correct in the abbreviated liner notes. Most likely Debrita is a manufacturing defect that slipped past WEA Manufacturing's quality control. B. C. Schmerker (talk) 08:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Anonymous editors keep adding that Gibson's home is in foreclosure and she's rumored to be bankrupt. The only apparent source fore this is perezhilton.com and blogs. Some newspapers have reported that perez hilton is saying so, but not the actual foreclosure. I have no problem with this being included if it's cited to an actual WP:RS, but until then, it's one big-ass WP:BLP violation. TJRC (talk) 02:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
- The only quasi-concurring reference that I've run across is a blog page "Deborah Gibson Taking Hit in Hollywood" at RealEStalker.Blogspot.com, which is referred to in the online news page "Rep: Debbie Gibson's Home Not In Foreclosure" at omg! at Yahoo! According to the latter article, David I. Salidor, who has been Gibson's press rep since the 1980's, denies the RealEStalker allegation. Blogs do not qualify as reliable sources under current policy. Who has further evidence either way? B. C. Schmerker (talk) 05:44, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
These are NOT allegations MIRIS has her house seized by the bank and it is listed on both her website www.deborah-gibson.com AND on her own myspace page. Since her OWN reps are confirming it on her OWN managed pages it is a bona fide and verifiable citation. And MIRIS is a real estate system thsat is totally NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 22:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Her own webpage says "“In response to the recent rumors and speculation regarding Deborah Gibson selling her Hollywood Hills home, Ms. Gibson has made the decision to sell for both business and personal reasons. She currently splits her time between two homes and will now be making her primary residence with her boyfriend. The market is such that investments in homes purchased several years ago are not paying out as expected. That, coupled with losses in the stock market, has forced many entertainers to scale back.” (found here. There is no mention of foreclosure, and without a reliable source, we can't let that be placed on the page. Tabercil (talk) 22:59, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
I question whether information on star-stalkers should be provided in Wikipedia.
1) At a guess, many or most stars have stalkers. (As do many other people.) I.e., having a stalker is not especially unusual. Except in extraordinary situations -- say, someone is assaulted by a stalker and conviced in court -- there's nothing exceptional about someone being infatuated with someone else.
2) What is a "stalker"? If one has stars living in their area, and is very persistent trying to get the autograph of someone they respect ... and the star gets spooked ... does that make the other person a stalker? Does the fact that a local newspaper reports an incident dismissed after police investigation make it Wiki-notable?
3) Adding this information encourages more stalkers. Giving specific stalkers publicity in Wikipedia may encourage them. It may also encourage other stalkers to "see their name in print".