Talk:Debrecen

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Danny asked about the "highway situation"... maybe it is not even required in the article(!), but decide yourself.

Debrecen is in the east of hungary, and pretty far from the center. Hungarian gov'ts for a long time concentrate on Budapest, pushing money there while the other areas suffer more or less. Debrecen is a really big city (by HU means) but it's extremely poorly connected to the world: it only have a highway (number 4) towards budapest (always full, average speed is 60 km/h), so "230km from budapest" means 3-4 hours of travel! (railways are a bit better nowadays, as you can get there in 2.5 hours).

The city suffered this in the past: part of its income is from tourism. Sometimes it feels the government doesn't want to keep them growing.

But there was gov't changes and they decided to lengten the highways and build new ones to remote and poorly connected areas. DualHW#3 (4 lanes, don't know how do they call those in english: expressway? dual highway?) goes eastward, makes travel time probably down to 2-3 hours. Planned DHW#4 would to right through Debrecen, making travel time down to 1.5-2 hours. [But I don't think it's gonna happen soon.]

grin 14:03 19 May 2003 (UTC)

The highway reached Miskolc in last December and as far as I know there was some debate whether it should be continued towards Debrecen or Nyíregyháza. I don't know which city won, but I've heard the roads leading to Debrecen will be improved anyway, since the current situation is indeed awful. Alensha 22:16, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Debrecen is now connected to Budapest by a highway (M35 which continues in the M3).

Too many photos[edit]

I really think this article, especially the history section, has too many photos. On my widescreen monitor they continue for a long way after the end of the text! Even on a standard ratio they slightly overwhelm the text. I'd recommend moving the photos of Bocskay and the Aranybika to the gallery, they really don't add all that much. I'm really new to wikipedia though, so I can't figure out how to do it. Brynwat (talk) 09:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Economy[edit]

Is it not a little odd that this article has a section on sport and nothing about the economy? Could someone write something about this? The Hungarian article has a (pretty poor) section Gazdaság which is completely lacking references, so I don't want to just translate that across. Brynwat (talk) 09:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Nomenclature[edit]

I have always read that the name "Debrecen" comes from the Common Slavonic for "Good Soil". Why does the article say it's probably a Turkish name? Crculver 17:52, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Guess why...if you read the Hungarian wikipedia (or read the terrible article Hungary:Pre-History and Early history in this wikipedia), you would find out that Hungarians are traditionally unable to even mention that there were Slavs living in Hungary's territory for hundreds of years before their arrival...Juro 00:13, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Next time feel free to add any useful info you have. You're right about the Slavophobia of some Hungarians (though it seems to work both ways...) but don't generalize, please. The info on the name was from several Hungarian websites, in the future I'll try to check more sources. Alensha 22:16, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I did not mean any phobias in this particular case, I have only stated the fact that (almost) each time I read a Hungarian history page (unless it's from the Academy or so) the Slavs are completely ignored, which also has consequences for the derivation of place names etc. Juro 03:29, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Some historians really seem to do that, I guess it's their petty way to take a revenge for Trianon, but a new generation is growing up and hopefully this anti-Slavism, anti-Romanianism etc. will be forgotten soon. If you happen to see anything in Wikipedia that needs to be corrected, please do so. History portrayed from only one POV is usually worthless. Alensha 20:40, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Who in his sane mind would build a city in the middle of a plain with no hill and no water?"[edit]

That peoples are better to read more historical articles ... In the past Debrecen was surounded by dense forests and the Tocó river (much more abounding in water than it is today). See Timisoara (meaning Castle on the Temes) with its Bega river ;) Another important factor was the closeness of two main roads (Western Europe - Oradea and Hungarian Higlands - Szerémség)--fz22 09:18, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Being close to the border[edit]

What?? The nearest border, until 1920 was 250km far from the city ... exept the Ottoman period ... I'll rephrase it--fz22 09:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Debrecen coat of arms.jpg[edit]

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Name[edit]

Known by its Hungarian name in English language sources, I left in the old(?) German name. If there are Hebrew/Yiddish forms, may be added (Jewish community). Squash Racket (talk) 14:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Romanians used to live there and the city is important for their history. The Romanian name should be included in the lead per WP:NCGN. Tankred (talk) 14:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
So you also put there a Croatian form... Squash Racket (talk) 15:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

How should you know what Debrcin is (Debrecin is more easier to recognise), if you don't find it in the encyclopedian article about this city?
Debrecen is one of "easternmost" Hungarian cities, that have a name in Croatian, that's different from Hungarian. That name is also in use by media of Croat minority in Hungary.
As I said before, one of possible traces of presence of certain nation in certain city/village is a surname, formed after that toponym. So, among Croats you can find surname Debrecin.
At last, you can be sure that you'll encounter certain Pista Baczi with surname Horvath :)) .
Also, have in mind the importance of a city as a trade center for certain populations. E.g., neighbouring villages or even more distant regions weren't of same ethnic structure as the trade center itself, but the inhabitants of neighbourhood did go to that center to buy and sell goods (without staying permanently).
Regarding trade importance, here's a link [1]. It's written in Croatian, with summaries in Hungarian and German, written by author, who is a Croat from Hungary. The title is "Vinogradari, sveci zaštitnici vinograda u mađarskih Hrvata i njihove međuetničke veze" (Winers, saint patrons of wineyards at Hungarian Croats and their interethnical connections, A magyarországi horvátok szőlőművessége, védőszentjeik, valamint interetnikus kapcsolataik, Der Weinbau der Kroaten in Ungarn und die Schutzheiligen der Winzer; Sorry if I haven't translated properly in English). Hope this'll help. Greetings, Kamarad Walter (talk) 09:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)