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I feel that the reference to the Hotel Crillon in the 'see also' is basically an advertisement and I am considering taking it out. Why should it be the ONLY hotel mentioned that hosts a bal? There are many others around the world that are just as important and grandiose (IE Waldorf Astoria for the international debutante ball for over 50 years). The Crillon does not even have a real ball. For less than 15 years now, it is a pseudo-debutante, meant to look like the real thing but the lack of any real charity(I have heard only 30,000USD in 2008), lack of sincerity by the participants, and the fact the the guest list is formed by a PR company in order to promote a host of products (jewelry, accessories, dresses, HOTELS, etc) makes this just a promotional event and not a genuine debutante. Please tell me if anyone prefers that the hotel stays and instead we just publish a long list of hotels of the world that feature debutantes? (Of course I don't have time to make the list... its easier to just exclude the hotel from 'see also' 22.214.171.124 (talk)
What is any of this about? Why so many capitalized phrases? "Though the White American Society pays little attention to the Greater Contributions of the African American Social Orders and Fraternal Organizations.The African Americans recognize their own Sovereign Debutantes and their Cotillions that they themselves present.The Jack and Jill Society as well as The Beautillions that they themselves also present, are a Wonderful example of how the Fabulous and Marvelous plight and introduction of our Dear and Loved Forefathers" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 03:30, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
what is a "representative family"? I've never heard of the phrase in the UK, is it common in the USA? Markb 11:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
- The phrase "representative family" is used on the National Debutante Ball and Cotillion website http://www.thecotillion.org/ and may be particular to Washington DC "official" society. Anyone else have a clue? PKM 19:20, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks, now tell me what the heck "Cotillion" means! Markb 08:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
- A cotillion was originally a dance of the late 18th century, typically the last dance at an assembly or ball. The term now also has the US meaning of any social event with an emphasis on ballroom dancing and traditional formal etiquette.
- A cotllion or "junior cotillion" may also be an organization which teaches young people the dances and behaviors they need to know to behave "properly" at a formal ball, through a series of dances and etiquette classes (table manners, giving and wearing corsages, managing a long skirt when getting in and out of a car, whatever). I believe the term "cotillion" is more common for a debutante ball in the South and East.
- See http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textc/Cotillion.html (definitions), http://www.colonialmusic.org/Resource/howtoCOT.htm (the dance type), http://www.californiajuniorcotillion.com/ (etiquette training). PKM 18:56, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
- many thanks! Markb 10:58, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
There was some shocking English in this peice. I fixed it. --188.8.131.52 17:50, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Recently I rewrote debutante ball to merge it with this one. I also added the illustrations. Zena Dhark…·°º•ø®@» 01:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Who can help with citations on this article???? Please Leave Comments Here I never went to my prom. ! Zena Dhark…·°º•ø®@» 05:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Why don't they have philippine debuts section? This is an outrage! *lol*
I re-added the previous Philippines Debut entry from a year ago. For some reason, someone took it out after a year. Anywho, it's in the article again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 02:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
The "Philippine" section of this wiki entry needs more research and citations, like the separate "Philippine Debut" entry. Also, I find the statement, "It is said that the number of débuts females and males have been involved in, as a cotillion member, serves as a mark of their popularity" absolutely ridiculous. There are a myriad of reasons why a host would choose a cotillion member, including, most especially, the availability of an individual (not just for the actual event but for rehearsals) and his or her capability to perform. Sandra5482 (talk) 04:48, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Writing Style Corrections
I just wanted to note that the writing of the article is quite poor, but in a subtle way. There are many run-on sentences, and many places (especially towards the beginning of the article) where the writer is trying to phrase things in a complicated fashion without properly structuring the sentence. There's also occasional problems with tenses and plural words where it looks like two sentences were strung together that shouldn't be. While you get the gist of the meaning, it's choppy to read and it can be hard to really understand the flow of what is being said.
I think someone should go through it - not to change the content! The content is very informative. But I think it just needs to be rephrased so as to flow smoothly. People will enjoy it way more that way; it's a very interesting and romantic subject. :) Just a note to whoever edits these things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 05:26, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Only at one spot in the entire article does it mention the age of the debutantes (age 21). I've always understood that in the U.S., at least, the usual age for a girl's debut is 18. I hope those of you with more expertise about debuts will go over the article and add specific ages where appropriate. ElsaObuchowski (talk) 13:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)Elsa Obuchowski 6/24/11
Actually, the article said in the US, debutantes are ages 16 to 19. Today, many cotillion clubs, assemblies, etc., are changing the debut age to 21 because the legal drinking age is 21, not 18 years old as in the past. Issues with liability and the age of the deb's escorts have played into this change that is occurring. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 13:07, 14 March 2014 (UTC)