Talk:Degrowth

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Article Creation[edit]

Here is the so-called De-growth article which replaces the un-equivalent article "uneconomic growth". Thanks to help me to enrich it. --Ecureuil espagnol (talk) 15:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I've been adding a lot to this article recently. Please excuse my cluttering of the history page, I'm still a wiki cadet. Any feedback would be appreciated. As I'm a strong proponent of degrowth, I'm struggling to maintain a neutral voice. Your revisions would be welcome. Skylerd (talk) 07:31, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Your efforts are greatly appreciated. When trying to maintain Neutral POV, just remember that we're only here to state facts; make sure to attribute any opinions to a source by providing a reference. The spanish-language version of the article is particularly bad about NPOV and makes many unsourced statements. The latter may be a problem in this article; de-growth is not a popular concept, so you don't hear a lot of talk about it. Keep up the good work! AniRaptor2001 (talk) 14:57, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Origins of the movement[edit]

The history of "degrowth" movements extends a long way back, at least to the "Romantic Protest" movement in England (See Veldman, 1994)[1]. As a result, "degrowth" has quite complex origins and colourful influences, which cannot simply be reduced down to "the values of humanism, enlightenment and human rights". For example, there is a strong religious, Romantic, and traditionalist strain underlying the values of many of its key originators and proponents (all of those mentioned in the 'roots' paragraph in fact, and many of those mentioned of the 1960/70s era). Perhaps the conservative/traditionalist origins and influences of "degrowth" should be drawn out more? Equally "degrowth" extends well beyond economics: it is relevant to the social sciences and humanities in general. Perhaps this needs to be made clearer also? User1756 (talk) 16:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

It may be constructive to distinguish between the specifically economic theories of 'degrowth', and the wider cultural influences lying behind the more general degrowth movement. User1756 (talk) 13:20, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

In addition to Georgescu-Roegen, who wrote his treatise in 1971, and who is considered one of the more important contributors to "degrowth", one has also mention Frederick Soddy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Soddy) who wrote about thermodynamics and economics in 1921, a full 50 years before Georgescu-Roegen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bthomson100 (talkcontribs) 08:27, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Spanish version[edit]

For those understanding it, the spanish version is really detailled. es:Decrecimiento --Ecureuil espagnol (talk) 11:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

New academic references[edit]

Recently took place, in April 2010, the 2nd international degrowth conference, with many resoures published online like posters, presentations, stirring papers and soon the proceedings and complete articles. I think that it could be a good place for finding quotes and reliable sources: http://www.degrowth.eu/v1/index.php?id=114

--Esenabre (talk) 07:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

References[edit]

  1. ^ Veldman, Meredith (1994). Fantasy, the Bomb, and the Greening of Britain. CUP. p. 341. ISBN 0521466652. 

Prosperity without Growth[edit]

Here is a report by Tim Jackson (Sustainable Development Commision) called Prosperity without Growth that seems to be rapidly a reference. I think it could have a place in this article. --Ecureuil espagnol (talk) 20:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Image[edit]

I'd like to see an image on this article that focuses on a positive aspect to degrowth, rather than one simply portraying it as a protest movement. After a quick search of commons, I don't see anything, but I'll keep my eyes open, and I'd love to hear some suggestions. --Keithonearth (talk) 02:45, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Population Limitation[edit]

Surely this is also an essential component of a stable zero-growth society. 31.54.50.138 (talk) 23:45, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

third world section pov[edit]

I find this section very problematic. In particular the claim that "lesser-developed countries... require the growth of their economies in order to attain prosperity" is not a neutral position, but an apparently neoliberal political position that defines prosperity in terms of capitalist economic growth. While this argument is sometimes evoked by third world governments, it is not the opinion of many third world people, in particular indigenous people, who have regularly criticized economic projects as a colonial imposition. Owen (talk) 15:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Right, because you know, poor people really want to stay poor. What's "neocolonial" is making these kinds of ridiculous arguments.Volunteer Marek 02:14, 5 May 2013 (UTC)