Talk:Deliriant

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"True" hallucinogens[edit]

Rawr, I /hate/ this common misconception! While deleriants are true hallucinogens, so are conventional hallucinogens. A hallucinogen is something that causes hallucinations, and hallucinations are perception in the absence of external stimuli (Note that there is nothing in that definition about whether these hallucinations are considered real by the person).

The only difference between deleriant-induced hallucinations and those caused by conventional hallucinogens is that they appear real; in other words, they are accompanied by delusions that they are real. There is nothing "true" about deleriant-induced hallucinations that there isn't about those caused by, say, LSD.

--140.159.2.32 04:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Just had to add that some hallucinations from deliriants are obviously not there. Such as when I was on diphenhydramine and saw what looked like a shadow (a darker portion than what was surrounding it) on the wooden-styled wall forming into shapes and people, and dancing and such. I knew I was just seeing things. Other examples have been reported. But obviously, yes, most of the time the user cannot tell the difference between hallucinations and reality. I've read in some places that the actual definition of a hallucination means that classic hallucinogens don't create what are considered "true" hallucinations. Maybe that's where this came from? 4.234.51.173 07:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I concur with the above. I know this isn't Erowid, but I have begun to realize that there are two kinds of hallucinations seen on deliriants. The first is the kind that is obviously not there, such as wispy lines flying through the air, wispy, smoke-like visuals coming off of objects, walls, etc. and distortions of actual objects (such as seeing a bed post bend, morph, and distort). The second kind of hallucinations, usually expierienced at higher doses, are the realistic (or dream-like) type, such as thinking you are talking to somebody, or thinking you are at school or work when you are actually at home, etc.--206.28.43.150 (talk) 20:14, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I think we should get a source cited for some of this info and possibly fix up this part of the article? I have read, however, that LSD and other hallucinogens don't cause perception in the absence of external stimuli, but instead cause distortions in existing stimuli. 209.247.22.129 18:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge?[edit]

Should this article be merged with anticholinergic? --Thoric 16:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

No. There are many anticholinergics that are not used as deleriants. --140.159.2.32 04:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)