Talk:Diploma in Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages

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Declaration of affiliation[edit]

Hello, my name is Louise and I work for Cambridge English Language Assessment. I'm here to suggest information that will improve the quality of Cambridge English Language Assessment related pages. I will abide by Wikipedia's policies and guidelines and would welcome Wikipedians' views on the updates.

Many thanks LouisePope (talk) 11:55, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Education consultant, Cambridge English Language Assessment, 1 Hills Road, Cambridge, CB1 2EU

TEFL and travel-teaching[edit]

I take the point that not everyone who does the CELTA wants to travel, but in my experience the majority do. I want to find a way in this short article to create a sensible link to the article on TEFL, which has developed in the direction of travel-teaching. I added caveats in the intro paragraph that that is not the totality of TEFL. If you object to the reworking I've put in DELTA, please discuss it here. Thanks. BrainyBabe 09:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CELTA is also one of the normal first qualifications for those who want to teach ESOL in Britain and are not intending to teach abroad. Gailtb 12:12, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this info. Does the current wording of the article make sense? I adapted it (following someone's anonymous edits) to say
"The Diploma (or Dip) is often seen as a follow-up to the certificate known as the CELTA, once the individual has done a couple of years of teaching (see TEFL for a discussion of travel-teaching) and has decided on a more long-term and serious commitment to the teaching of English. "
Do you think that expresses it fairly? BrainyBabe 12:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think it sounds ok, except I would remove the bracketed part about TEFL. I think it gives the wrong impression that CELTA is only relevant for EFL and it doesn't really flow. Gailtb 23:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know, but will accept, your point that the CELTA is now taken by people who aren't interested in travel-teaching, for want of a better phrase. (My own neologism?) But it is my strong impression that a large number of those who take it do want to fund their worldwide adventures. It is a big way in to the profession/occupation (let's not open that can of worms!) for educated native speakers of English. As such, I would like to create some pointer in the article to TEFL, with a mention of what it covers. What wording can you suggest? BrainyBabe 13:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I added a "See also" section. Hope that covers what you want. Gailtb 06:34, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
An elegant and simple solution. Thank you for your does of common sense! BrainyBabe 12:53, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DELTA v. PGCE references?[edit]

This article basically claims that the PGCE beats DELTA? What is the basis for this? Where is the evidence? None of the links provided actually compares the two. Yes, DELTA does not mean that a TESOL teacher can become a state school teacher, whereas a PGCE can become a TESOL teacher. But exclusivity does not imply superiority. Anyone can be a TESOL teacher, but that does not mean DELTA is earned any more easily than a PGCE. There are many professions that cannot simply step into state school teaching roles, but that does not make them inferior. These comments require evidence or this section needs to be removed or significantly modified. DELTA is level 7 (graduate level) and it is a diploma. Graduate diplomas are bigger than graduate level certificates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.173.148.144 (talk) 10:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One qualification doesn't "beat" another. Both Delta and PGCE have their merits.

The DELTA/PGCE comparison seems completely unreferenced. Especially claims of a "higher standard of observed classroom practice, content regarding classroom management, student assessment and curriculum development". Both qualifications are NFQ level 7, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.242.185.47 (talk) 12:33, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Delta is NQF level 7. Not sure about its official recognition outside the UK.

DELTA or Delta[edit]

Since the programme has been modularised it is referred to as Delta, not DELTA (pre-2008), and is no longer an acronym, nor for teaching adults alone. I will change the article to reflect this if there are no objections. The CELTA is still a fully capitalised acronym. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.242.179.252 (talk) 10:16, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Other diploma qualifications[edit]

Perhaps this article should include a brief comparison (cost, teaching practice, recognition, etc.) between the Delta and other diploma courses (e.g. Trinity DipTESOL, LTTC DIP. TESOL- http://www.teachenglish.co.uk/tesol.htm). There's a fair amount of misinformation flying around, as this forum from Germany shows: http://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=143378 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.242.179.252 (talk) 10:38, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article reads like an info pack[edit]

Louisepope seems to have made really very extensive changes to this article (and fair enough, it was a bit of a mess). However, I think it needs cutting down a lot. At the moment it's massive and reads like an information pack for the course. In addition, the references largely go straight to the Cambridge English website, which I'm pretty sure is not how these articles are meant to be referenced.

Louisepope notes that she works for Cambridge, and I think some bias is obvious here. All of the external links have been changed to redirect straight to Cambridge, and links to competitors (Trinity, mostly), have been removed. Why would this be done unless someone was trying to advertise Cambridge English? This article is unnecessarily long and detailed, and smacks of advertising. In fact, it's about ten times the length of the entry for 'applied linguistics'!

Anyway, I've added the links to trinity back to make the piece a bit less advert-esque, and I really think this article should be cut down substantially to just the key information. If people are interested they can go to the Cambridge website. They don't need to have everything paraphrased on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.132.84.199 (talk) 16:10, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"It is regulated at Level 7 of the Qualifications and Credit Framework for England, Wales and N. Ireland[3] and is suitable for teachers at Developing or Proficient level on the Cambridge English Teaching Framework.[4]" - Uh, what does this mean? Not all readers have any idea what Level 7 is (nor of what the QCFEWNI is), and clicking on the link brings up a welter of jargon with neither (easy to find) information nor anything about Level 7 except some business thing. Kdammers (talk) 11:45, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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