Talk:Dementia pugilistica

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Famous Cases: The two paragraphs had one citation which was of no relevance to anything written, save for one irrelevant point. Nearly the entire article needs sources but that section had nothing to verify any of its claims. It looked shoddy and not up to standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Muhammad Ali?[edit]

Is it confirmed within the scientific/medical community that Muhammad Ali's parkinsonism is attributible to dementia pugilistica?

I would also like to suggest a merging/linking of this page with the boxing page, as it would encourage some proponents of boxing to provide a balanced review of this page.Reaper Man 04:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)Reaper Man

It is definitely not confirmed or agreed that Ali's condiion is dementia puglistica. In fact, it is usually thought to be Parkinson's disease. The statement in the current text that disparages the ability to definitively diagnose Parkinson's except by autopsy is wrong; I've just added a "citation needed" to that unsupported statement and added an additional, documented statement to the contrary. Further commentary on Ali is available at, where attribution of Ali's Parkinson's to head injury is specificaly doubted by an expert.Poihths (talk) 00:51, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

additional boxer[edit]

Is Leon Spinks afflicted with this condition? I've heard interviews with him and his speech pattern appears to be affected, but I don't know if that implies a chronic neurologic condition. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 14:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Ali has parkinson, it is true that many feel that his parkinsons is largley due to boxing. but that is still not dementia pugilistica, the same goes for freddy roach, who has parkinsons, but not demntia pugilistica....that is NOT Dementia pugilistica...also i can find no other documentation that jack dempsey suffered any major mental decline. Dempsey died at the age of 88...and from what i can find he was lucid up to the end...but even if their was some mental deteration, it would be diffcult to pin that down to pugilistic dementia.

I have to agree with the above author. I've read quite a bit about Jack Dempsey and this is the first time I've ever seen anyone claiming that he suffered from dementia as he got older. What was the source for this point in the original article? Orton992000 20:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I removed mention of Roach and Ali because they have Parkinson's. If someone has a cite that they have dementia pugilistica then by all means restore this. Also, I removed Dempsey and Meldrick Taylor from the list. As mentioned above, there's no evidence that Dempsey had it. And while Taylor is suspected of having it, I don't know of any conclusive evidence that he does. So it is improper to put him on here without a source stronger than some editor's assumption that he does.MKil 17:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)MKil

Am I the only person who has heard this used to describe someone who is tired and having trouble functioning? one can be "punch drunk" after working a 20 hour day, for example. Anyone feel that this should be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Yes, you probably are. bwmcmaste (talk) 02:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Muhammad Ali[edit]

This page's statements on the cause of Ali's current medical condition are in direct contradiction to the statements made on the page devoted to Ali. Someone should figure out which group is right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redkern (talkcontribs) 23:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

New Yorker article[edit]

Found a great article from the New Yorker about this in relation to football injury [1]. It also talks about dog fighting but I think it would be good if someone could take something out of it and potentially add to the article with it. Cheers!Calaka (talk) 14:34, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Chronic traumatic encephalopathy[edit]

The chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) article claims that dementia pugilistica (DP) is a variant of CTE, so I changed article accordingly. Originally, the DP article made it seem like the disorders are the same thing. However, if the disorders really are equivalent, then the articles should be merged, in my opinion. In this case, I would strongly suggest using "chronic traumatic encephalopathy" or a similar term for the article's name. Using one of the boxing disorder names, like "chronic boxer’s encephalopathy" or "traumatic boxer’s encephalopathy", would suggest that the condition is limited to boxers, and if CTE and DP are the same, then many other sports are involved, especially American football. I will not be watching this talk page. If you want to contact me for some reason, please leave a message on my user talk page. -- Kjkolb (talk) 05:37, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

In addition, entertainment-style wrestling has had several wrestlers that most likely suffered from this, among them Test and, most prominently, Chris Benoit. (talk) 20:17, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
now that claim it not in CTE article , only here (in DP article). we need to find out whether DP is used in modern medicine. --Qdinar (talk) 16:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
i have found none of them in International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems ( ) --Qdinar (talk) 16:43, 5 November 2014 (UTC)