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Should The Simpsons episode “Thirty Minutes Over Tokyo” (S10E23) from 1999 be included? It’s about the Simpsons visiting Japan and coming across a Japanese TV show called “Battling Seizure Robots” which, who would have guessed, causes them to have seizures. Seems to be a reference to this incident to me. --220.127.116.11 (talk) 06:05, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
I thought exactly the same thought myself and I think the reference should be mentioned. Here's the text from that article: "Battling Seizure Robots, the seizure-inducing television show that the Simpsons watch in their hotel room, is based on an episode of Pokémon, called "Dennō Senshi Porygon", which caused several hundred children to develop epileptic seizures. According to Scully, the staff received 'several angry letters' from people for the scene." --18.104.22.168 (talk) 16:53, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
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Please see: [ for the ongoing deletion discussion of the image involved. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:56, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
I didn't realize it was still in the article. Anyway, sent it to deletion discussion. All discussions should be there. DreamFocus 11:08, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Until a decision has been reached there, I reinstated the video. There is no consensus to remove it. -- cyclopiaspeak! 11:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
That discussion is about deletion of the file. The discussion about whether a video should be embedded here is separate, with little-to-no support for its inclusion. Also, WP:DRNC. Alexbrntalk|contribs|COI 12:06, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Little-to-no support? Are you kidding me? Have you read the talk page above? This has been discussed to death since 2009, and consensus has always been for the video to stay. Sure, consensus can change, but so far there is no indication this consensus has changed. Thanks for your essay link, but removing the video is highly disruptive: you just removed an essential media help for understanding of the article due to a completely theoretical risk (we have no info on people who got seizures because they saw the low-resolution video on WP). -- cyclopiaspeak! 12:11, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
If consensus hadn't changed I'd expect to see voices piling in here and at WT:MEDICINE - but the consensus there is going the other way (and has found that the risk is apparently well-sourced, and not theoretical). Alexbrntalk|contribs|COI 12:16, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
The risk is somewhat sourced for the video as it was sent on TV, not for our low resolution clip. Big difference. And the consensus in the deletion discussion and, most importantly, on this talk page, is the other way. Anyway I'll join the discussion there.-- cyclopiaspeak! 12:18, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
This is ridiculous. The sequence is what caused the controversy in the first place. It makes sense to include it on the article.—Ryulong (琉竜) 15:04, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
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I think that as Wikipedia we should not be using an illegal fansub to have produced the video we use on this article, not to mention it includes a digital watermark. There are other (illegal) digital copies that are not fansubs that can be used to produce a video file necessary to adequately provide information on this episode. I have found one such copy on Veoh, but their proprietary software to download it may cause issues, but I digress. We need to replace File:Denno.ogg with a version without the fansubs and that "For Evaluation Purposes" watermark.—Ryulong (琉竜) 17:09, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
"For Evaluation Purposes" is a bit of a red flag for Wikipedia, anyway. We can't really argue for fair-use if we have that legal disclaimer stuck to the video in the form of a watermark, even if the video itself does meet NFCC criteria, and then continue to fool ourselves into thinking that we are a free (libre) content encyclopedia. The file should be changed ASAP. -- 李博杰 | —Talkcontribsemail 17:57, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
No internet content has ever caused anyone to have a seizure. The reason for this is because the computer monitor is what is strobing, not the content being displayed on it. The content cannot physically strobe any faster or slower than the computer monitor itself. A specific brand and model of monitor may cause a seizure, but not the content it is showing. If someone claims to know otherwise, ask them to cite it. --Sue Rangell✍✉ 22:16, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
The original content was from a TV show. I am not sure if that would make a difference but it was not originally internet content.--22.214.171.124 (talk) 04:30, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Difference between the text of the article and the sources
The article says "To prevent any similar incidents from reoccurring, the Japanese government made the decision to remove the episode permanently from future re-broadcasting and it has not aired since, not even outside of Japan. According to Maddie Blaustein, the voice of Meowth in the dub, the episode was dubbed and altered in the United States by 4Kids Entertainment to slow down the flashing lights. But this was abandoned after the Japanese government banned it, and was never broadcast anywhere else in the world. Coincidentally, the episode aired around the same time Pokémon was being adapted for American audiences. Unlike other flashing lights, 4Kids Entertainment took extra precaution in bright and flashing lights in the show, and altered lighting, and speed of lights for earlier episodes of their American release". Most of this doesn't seem to be supported by the cited sources: for once, neither source 1 or 11 says that the one who banned the episode was the Japanese government. The information about Maddie Blaustein saying that 4Kids edited the episode is not supported either in source 23 or in the original two quotes by MB (which can be found here and here): she just said that they dubbed the episode (she was probably misremembering things, but that's beside the point); source 23 just reports her statements and adds "If the dub exists, it has not aired" without mentioning editing by 4Kids. The statement "the episode aired around the same time Pokémon was being adapted for American audiences" is unsourced, but according to the audio commentary of the Pokémon 4Ever they starting creating the American dub in April 1998, that is about four months after this episode aired, a relatively big amount of time. Finally, the statement about 4Kids editing previous episodes is unsourced, but according to source 23 it was the Japanese who did those edits. --Newblackwhite (talk) 22:04, 8 December 2014 (UTC)