Talk:Derivation (linguistics)

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I don't believe there is an accepted 'un' noun in English. Any examples? Istvan 06:34, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

'The undead'. But define 'accepted', anyway.BovineBeast 06:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
'Merry unbirthday!' --150.241.250.3 (talk) 14:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

A question[edit]

How are words like "go" and "undergo" called? Are they derivatives, cognates or something else? Arath 16:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Derivation outside morphology[edit]

This article treats derivation as a purely morphological phenomenon (which may be true), although there are theories of syntax (e.g. BPS) which are based on derivational processes as well. It might be a good idea to describe derivation in a more general sense and mention the fact that it's used mainly but not only in theories of morphology, and then explain morphological derivation in more detail. -Michael Sappir (Talk) 11:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Perspectives need to be distinguished[edit]

Derivation can mean many things. For example:

  1. As a matter of historical record or inference, one word in a language was predated by another word of different form (from the same or a different language) which is deemed its source. (Marxism (English) < Marxisme (French))
  2. Speakers of a language produce a derived word as needed by applying a transformation to an other word following rules understood by hearers/readers. (un- + popular > unpopular, Marx + -ism = Marxism)
  3. Hearers/readers can infer the knowledge of a derived word from the meanings of its components. (Marxism = Marx + -ism)

Note that all three senses may apply to the same word, as in the case of Marxism. And of course the first users of the English word Marxism were probably English readers of French publications or English hearers of French speech. Thus the word entered the English lexicon so that many (most ?) users of the word Marxism did not actually coin it (2 above). It is possible that some of the earliest users of Marxism in English did coin the phrase, but it is highly likely that an inkhorn term like Marxism was transmitted between languages in Europe quite rapidly.

I don't think the article has bothered to make clear what it might be talking about. One need follow no specific theoretical framework to see this as a problem. In fact, the first thing I would want an encyclopedia article to do is to make such distinctions. DCDuring (talk) 20:02, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Nice Points. I think Point 1 refers to the Etymological Derivation and Point 2 and 3 refer to the Morphological Derivation. 121.241.127.1 (talk) 20:27, 6 December 2013 (UTC)