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Which is Oldest?[edit]

They can't both be (Salt Lake Tribune), but the claim is in both articles. Someone needs to fix this. Moogle 03:35, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Actually, the DNews claims to be the oldest continually printed, whereas thhyghgjhhjgbhhytr56tu;/ikdflkeichdsjigtcoizahdks

e SLTrib claims to be just the oldest...there is a difference... JON, Conqueror of Men - (Talk to Me, Baby!) 04:13, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

According to the Utah Press Association, the Deseret News is the second oldest newspaper west of the Mississippi, and began publication June 15, 1850 only 8 months after the New Mexican of Santa Fe, New Mexico.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.97.13.193 (talkcontribs) 21:28, 20 January 2006

Merge MormonTimes to DMN[edit]

The MormonTimes is basically just another "brand" that the Deseret Morning News (DMN) uses to earn advertising dollars for web-based content. A large portion of the site just recycles DMN content, with a little aggregation from other news sources & content providers. While there is some originally content, the site is not notable enough (even in LDS circles) to merit a standalone article separate from the DMN. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 23:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Support. Ok, this is not Church News. It is just a section and website of Deseret Morning News, so in this case I think it would actually be sensible to merge. Cool Hand Luke 02:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Incidentally, "Church News" has a stronger claim to being a separate article because it has a somewhat different history and is an official LDS organ, but I agree with this merge. Cool Hand Luke 02:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Agreed, Church News is much better established as a publication entity than Mormon Times. In fact, although it Church News is distributed as a section of the D-News, it has been (and, outside of Utah, still is) available by subscription separately from Deseret News. Rangergordon (talk) 07:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose This is more than a repackaging of articles from DesNews - but includes original content and is substantively different in focus and readership than the Deseret News. Similar other topic specific websites have their own article even though published by (and wholly owned by another entity) OpinionJournal.com, guardian.co.uk come to mind without searching for others. --Trödel 16:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
    PS I removed the merge notice as it was placed on the article shortly after the MormonTimes.com article successfully survived an AfD proposal without merge being a proposed or discussed solution see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mormon times --Trödel 19:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Redirect reversal: Official masthead is now simply Deseret News (again)[edit]

As mentioned in the article, the paper changed its name from Deseret Morning News back to Deseret News in April 2008. (It changed from Deseret News to Deseret Morning News several years ago when it began publishing as a morning edition.) Currently, this page ("Deseret Morning News") is redirected from "Deseret News." However, given the name change, this should be reversed: That is, the "Deseret News" page should be the target destination, redirected from "Deseret Morning News." I'm researching how to do this, but if anybody else knows how, please feel free ... Rangergordon (talk) 06:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

ADDENDUM: OK, I believe the procedure is to copy the content from this page, paste it to the Deseret News page, then replace the content on this page with a "#REDIRECT Deseret News" directive. If this is the wrong procedure, please feel free to undo the edits. Rangergordon (talk) 07:29, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

ADDENDUM: OK, it's done. I have also done the same thing with the old talk page to the new talk page. I hope this does not mess up anybody's watchlists. I also hope I have performed this operation correctly. Please feel free to chastise me if I did the wrong thing. Rangergordon (talk) 07:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Please note that this is the improper way to make a move since it doesn't copy over the article history which is part of the GFDL licensing - that those that made edits be credited for their work. See Help:Moving a page particularly Moving over a redirect for information on how to properly move a page over an existing page that is a redirect.
I have properly merged the edit histories. Note that because both pages have an edit history, one can't move the page unless one is an administrator. --Trödel 19:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, Trödel; the issue of edit histories being lost had occurred to me, but I hadn't realized I would have to ask an administrator to take care of that issue. Looks like you've taken care of it. Bravo! Rangergordon (talk) 05:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Nickname[edit]

The Deseret News is often simply called the News. I can't find a source saying that directly, but here are two examples where you find that happening. There probably isn't an official source for that information, because it is more of a cultural thing, and not an official nickname.

Utah Digital Newspapers - University of Utah: Deseret News http://digitalnewspapers.org/newspaper/?paper=Deseret+News

The Trib and the News - Salt Lake Tribune http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55874217-82/basin-gas-http-utah.html.csp

--65.100.255.19 (talk) 04:36, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Good information. I just know that on a personal level, I lived in Utah for over 20 years, took the Deseret News most of the time and our children even delivered it and I don't know that I've ever heard it just called the News. I was inclined to just remove the reference, but wanted first to provide an opportunity for anyone to substantiate that it's commonly called that. I don't think there is anything cultural about it. So, for now, I am going to just remove that unless there is more to substantiate it. As you noted, the 2 links don't do it. I appreciate your looking them up. ChristensenMJ (talk) 05:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused, because both those websites clearly show the nickname for the Deseret News, is the News
Let me quote:
Utah Digital Newspapers - University of Utah: Deseret News (http://digitalnewspapers.org/newspaper/?paper=Deseret+News)

"The News continues today as the state's second-largest newspaper."

The Trib and the News - Salt Lake Tribune (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55874217-82/basin-gas-http-utah.html.csp)
The title says it all "The Trib and the News"
Also take a look at the image of the first issue's first page, they even refer to it as the News.

"...and if every subscriber shall preserve each copy of the "News," and bind it at the close of the volume..."

--71.219.78.115 (talk) 18:17, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

It may be that my wondering is as much an issue of placement as anything - to have it essentially be the first thing said on the article and have the implication that it is so common and that "everybody calls it that" (my words) - doesn't make much sense. I recognize that 160 years ago they started with that first issue noting it that way, but that doesn't mean it is commonly called it today. The second link is not at all relevant as a source - this appears to be a letter to the editor where a random contributor just called it that - again, not a source that works to justify the article as it was. Finally, I recognize this is a pretty minor issue..... ChristensenMJ (talk) 18:39, 26 February 2013 (UTC)