Talk:Detective fiction

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Request for clarification[edit]

The second paragraph of this article now reads: Commonly in detective fiction, the investigator has some source of income other than detective work and some undesirable eccentricities or striking characteristics. He or she frequently has a less able assistant, or foil, who never asks to make apparently irrelevant inquiries and acts as an audience surrogate for the explanation of the mystery at the end of the story.

The highlighted bit is puzzling. I wonder if this clause was meant to imply "who never asks to make apparently irrelevant inquiries, but is asked (by the detective) to make them." Or was it meant to read "who is asked to make apparently irrelevant inquiries" or something along those lines?

Please will someone who change the point (if such a person exists) change the wording. Otherwise I think it should be dropped. Thank you. Wanderer57 21:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Heck, I think the whole paragraph should be dropped. It's original research, by and large, and doesn't represent any part of detective fiction except the "amateur detective" based on Sherlock Holmes -- and the cliche outlined therein was vieux jeu by the 1940s. Accounting4Taste 21:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Rules?[edit]

The section called "Proposed Rules" does not contain either proposed rules or a link to them. Is this an oversight, or something that is going to be fixed? Thank you. Wanderer57 21:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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Sherlock Holmes[edit]

Given the extent of the Holmes canon, I surprised ther is so little on this oeuvre. 91.125.19.204 (talk) 17:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Hammett[edit]

"In the late 1930s, Raymond Chandler updated the form with his private detective Philip Marlowe, who brought a more intimate voice to the detective than Hammett's distant, third-person viewpoint."

This is crazy wrong. 1. Hammett was far more influential than Chandler and 2. Most of Hammett's stories are told in first person. 64.136.218.185 (talk) 02:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Japanese Detective Fiction?[edit]

There's an individual page for "Japanese detective fiction", but why not be included in this page as a section or even mentioned??

That separated "Japanese Detective Fiction" page does not have any relative links, nor any language version other than English. However, inside Japanese or Chinese "Detective Fiction" article, both Western and Eastern styles are introduced and compared. I think that should be the right way.

The Japanese genre, as far as I know, is an important part in today's popular culture (at least in Japan) and definitely a sub-genre of Detective Fictions. It has a close relationship and a same theme with the Western fictions. I don't see any reason it should be exclusive from this article. Hope someone could emerge that one into this article, or at least make an introduction.

SuperXW (talk) 03:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Related to this, Detective Conan was improperly listed under detectives for younger readers. Though the anime is occasionally geared towards youngsters the episodes based on the manga and the manga itself are geared for late teens early adults and are more along the lines of an episode of CSI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.19.229 (talk) 22:23, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Edgar Allan Poe[edit]

Hi, I was reading this article and I realized that in the last section, Auguste C. Dupin, the detective created by Edgar Allan Poe is not include. Can somebody write it down? Thank you, 190.30.153.42 (talk) 21:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Lists of detectives[edit]

The lists of detectives at the end of the article are very long, too long, in fact. These lists, if they exist at all, should be reserved for the most notable fictional detectives, not every one who ever appeared in a book or film. I am going to begin weeding out the un- and red-linked names. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 04:55, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I aided this by removing a duplicate name from the list. In the fiction Detective Conan there is a character with the japanese name of Mouri Kogoro (kogoro mouri if you may), his dubbed name is Richard Moore, as such they are the same person and up until a few minutes ago listed twice. Related I would like to contest his inclusion in this list. More often than not the person solving the case is actually Shinichi/Conan rather than Kogoro, it is quite rare that he actually comes up with the solution (though they are among the best episodes), as such he doesn't really qualify as a mystery solver. If we include me we have to include Rans friend Sonoko who occasionally takes Kogoro's place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.19.229 (talk) 22:20, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Probably en:wikipedia should list every fictional detective who has her/s own article here, maybe article section, maybe the most important who lack articles (because they are not english speakers?).
If that list is too long to include here, then it should WP:STANDALONE. Then too the list in this article should be "short" with a {{main}} link to the standalone list.
--P64 (talk) 14:22, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Arsène Lupin[edit]

Arsène Lupin should be on the list, not sure where, or how "foreign" detectives should be handled. --P64 (talk) 14:22, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Misleading at best[edit]

Why in heaven is One Thousand and One Nights treated like major detective fiction and countless Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Indian, and European medieval collections of stories are omitted? Is it just because it's an Arabic text? If One Thousand and One Nights has anything to do with suspense, then certainly the Decameron and countless short-story collections from ancient times qualify. When there is a bias, it would be nice to just read the bias: "Note: unlike articles in reputable encyclopedias, this article is strongly biased towards Arab culture". Otherwise you are misleading millions of readers. Which might be the very goal of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.203.152 (talk) 17:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

psychological cross genre with mystery[edit]

I really don't know if you cross genres with a mystery.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.8.229.249 (talk) 05:17, 16 January 2014 (UTC)