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Temperatures[edit]

The article gives a temperature range starting at above 0°C however it gets a lot colder than that at those altitudes... proper stats needed/requested.

Sfacets 10:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, it doesn't get much colder, you may forget Dharamsala is pretty close to the equator... rudy 12:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh yes it does.. it is located a high altitude, so gets very cold... a lot colder than 0. Sfacets 12:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I lived there for the best part of 7 years.... rudy 20:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah? So did I ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sfacets (talkcontribs) 23:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

I wonder if Dharamshala is pretty close to the equator, then what would one say where Kerala is in terms of being close to the equator. It does get pretty cold in Dharamshala ...

Photograph[edit]

I may be wrong but is the main picture not of McLeod Ganj, not (Lower) Dharamsala? Can someone confirm this?yes the picture is that of Mcleodganj and not of lower dharamshala

Re : Photorgraphs[edit]

The Picture is of Mcleodgunj only...........dharamsala main market street doesn't have these tibetian type structures ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toprohan (talkcontribs) 15:56, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Francis younghusband..[edit]

I doubt whether francis younghusband is buried in dharamsala. Does anyone have any reference on him? Tdakpa (talk) 14:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The ODNB article says he was buried at the village church at Lytchett Minster, near Poole, Dorset; and our article Francis Younghusband agrees that he died in Dorset. So I have removed the note that he is buried at Dharamsala. Andrew Dalby 16:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

The meaning of the name[edit]

Surely धर्मशाला Dharamshālā means 'Religious Refuge' and not 'Religious Abode'? Energyworm (talk) 21:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

@Energyworm: I've added a new 'Name' section that covers meaning, history, translation, transliteration and pronunciation. Explic8 (talk) 10:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Propose changing spelling of article title from 'Dharamsala' to 'Dharamshala'[edit]

Hello all,

Today I have added to the article a new section on the name 'Dharamshala' to clarify the meaning, the transliteration from Hindi/Devanagari, the pronunciation and the spelling.

I would also like to propose that the spelling of the name in the title of the article should be changed.

Why? I'll give the short answer first, followed by the long version with details and references.

The short answer is that, while both spellings are in wide circulation, 'Dharamshala' is much superior for three reasons: it accurately reflects native pronunciation, it's consistent with international standards, and it's more familiar to the global public. The 'Dharamsala' variant is inferior on all three counts while offering no advantages to compensate for its disadvantages.

Now the long explanation:

1. PRONUNCIATION: The Devanagari (the 'sha' in 'Dharamshala') is a sha sound /ʃ/, like the 'sh' in 'shirt'. The name 'Dharamshala' (धर्मशाला) is pronounced by native Hindi speakers (including the Indian residents of Dharamshala as well as some Tibetans with greater fluency in Hindi) as 'Dharamshala' (/d̪ʱərmʃɑlɑ/). The English spelling 'Dharamshala' conveys the native pronunciation most clearly, while the 'Dharamsala' variant is misleading in that it suggests that what is actually a 'sh' sound should be pronounced as a 's' sound, increasing the likelihood that people who are not native Hindi speakers will mispronounce the name (as many do in practice). The 'Dharamshala' spelling does not run that risk.

2. STANDARDISATION: Per the international standards for Devanagari_transliteration, there are two prevailing options for transcribing the Devanagari into English/Roman script: ITRANS is sha and IAST is śa. Note that no common standard uses simply s. As an encyclopedia, it is incumbent upon Wikipedia to make best efforts to comply with prevailing international standards. To do so requires the use of either sha or śa. Given those two options, considering that the IAST śa, being strictly a formal transliteration (rather than a general transcription with application in both formal and informal usage), is far less common than sha outside of academic contexts, and considering that sha is readily used in both formal and informal transcription and also lends itself to correct pronunciation, clearly the superior choice is to opt for sha.

3. POPULAR PRECEDENT AND FAMILIARITY: The standard 'Dharamshala' spelling is more common in popular usage than the 'Dharamsala' variant. To illustrate: Googling 'Dharamsala' on 22 June 2009 returns 776,000 results, whereas 'Dharamshala' returns 1,340,000. By this measure, the 'Dharamshala' spelling is nearly twice as common as 'Dharamsala'. This is not surprising since it is also more correct (in terms of both pronunciation and standard transcription).

On all the grounds mentioned above, I propose that we change the spelling of the name in the title of this article from the nonstandard, less-common and potentially confusing 'Dharamsala' to the more common and more correct 'Dharamshala'.

Any comments?

Explic8 (talk) 13:20, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, since I posted this request 2 1/2 years ago and no one has objected, I'm assuming it's agreeable to go ahead and initiate a change in the spelling of the page name as discussed above. Explic8 (talk) 16:36, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Improper redirect[edit]

"Dharamshala" redirects to this page instead of to "Dharamshala (disambiguation)" creating a multi-link loop that makes it difficult to find the definition of a common dharamshala.12.167.143.141 (talk) 14:36, 28 February 2012 (UTC)Will H.

Adding transcriptions from other languages to this page[edit]

Hello everyone,

I would like to advise any editors to not add transcriptions from other languages to this article. Only Hindi, Kangri and Tibetan should be used because other languages such as Punjabi or Urdu are not widely spoken in the area. Languages that should be used are 1. The official languages of the state, in this case Hindi 2. Languages that are widely enough in the area for it to be a lingua- franca. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ainalhafila (talkcontribs) 03:57, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

DSASD[edit]

{{geodata-check}}

The following coordinate fixes are needed for


24.241.211.134 (talk) 01:19, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

You haven't specified what you think is erroneous, and I don't see anything seriously wrong with the coordinates in the article. Nevertheless, I've tweaked them slightly to correspond to what Google Maps indicates to be the center of the settlement. If you still think something needs correcting, please post a clear explanation of the problem, including the {{geodata-check}} template in your message. Deor (talk) 11:38, 2 August 2014 (UTC)