Talk:Diabetic diet

Improving English

As of tonight (February 19), I have just improved the section on "Carbohydrates" - stating that "a prime example" sounds both more encyclopaedic and academic than to say "the classic example". There may be other examples of need for English in this article to be improved, too. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 20:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Controversy

"There is much controversy" we read in the first sentence, about the diet to recommend to people with diabetes. This article is a case in point; it has undergone considerable revision since I first created it. This is what I meant to type here and absent-mindedly put in the article! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 20:49, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

There is no serious argument that insulin isn't needed for Type 1 diabetics, or that weight loss and exercise don't help Type 2 diabetics. The fact that there is so much heated argument over what diet is ideal suggests to me that no diet is ideal. Although there seems little argument, except perhaps from the Bernstein crowd (Bernstein is Type 1) that soluble fiber is a good thing to have in the diet.

Perhaps this article would benefit from making the distinction between Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes more clearly. They're really not the same disease. Yaush (talk) 19:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Albeit the etiologies, or causes, of Type 1 (development of antibodies, etc.) and Type 2 (Family History and obesity) are very different, I believe there is sufficient evidence that the complications of Type 1 and Type 2 are similar in that they both lead to high glucose levels that have dire implications on the cardiovascular system (along with the eyes, kidneys and nervous system especially in diabetics). It makes sense that the control of diet in diabetes has some similarity to the diets for those with cardiovascular disease--low in saturated fats, higher fruits and vegetables, and low salt consumption. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jammerino (talk • contribs) 18:15, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Nutrisystem D

The nurtisystem d plan should be discussed in this article if someone can find concrete information to provide. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs) 14:11, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Did some one's diabetes really disappear?

I am a little skeptical that the woman's son's really disappeared - as diabetes is a chronic condition. What do others who know about this topic think? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 22:28, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I, too, am skeptical. Type 1 diabetes is almost impossible to control by diet alone; Type 2 diabetics can get some significant improvement from diet and exercise, but the best that can really be said is that their diabetes is tightly controlled, not cured. Yaush (talk) 19:47, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

WP:MEDRS

This article needs to be written to comply with MEDRS. Review articles need to be used and the mainstream POV needs to be given. Here are some review articles:

• Vaughan L (2005). "Dietary guidelines for the management of diabetes". Nurs Stand 19 (44): 56–64; quiz 66. PMID 16048207. 
• Franz MJ (April 2004). "Prioritizing diabetes nutrition recommendations based on evidence". Minerva Med. 95 (2): 115–23. PMID 15272246. 
• Stanton C, Phillips P (June 2005). "Dietary dilemmas in diabetes". Aust Fam Physician 34 (6): 455–8. PMID 15931404. 
• Katsilambros N, Liatis S, Makrilakis K (2006). "Critical review of the international guidelines: what is agreed upon--what is not?". Nestle Nutr Workshop Ser Clin Perform Programme 11: 207–18; discussion 218. doi:10.1159/000094453. PMID 16820742. --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:35, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Can this article please stop misleading people with its liberal use of terms "vegan" and "vegetarian"?

This article says that evidence suggests diabetes may be lower in vegetarians, and then says that some studies have attempted vegan interventions. This is misleading, as vegetarianism and veganism are not synonyms. It would also be more sensible if this article explained WHY diabetes may be lower in vegetarians - presumably, because their diet is likely to be high in dietary fibre. Finally, could this article please point out that diabetes should not prevent people from becoming vegetarians? I may add the source when I find a book which states this. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:44, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Thoughts on picture welcome

I had not looked at this article for a long time, then saw the picture. This, I think, improves the article, but I shall welcome comments on whether the picture is placed in the best position in the article.ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:38, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Are potatoes and rice high glycemic foods?

Are rice and potatoes really high glycemic foods? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 15:06, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Does it not depend on how the spuds are cooked - with mashed potato being higher on the glycemic index than jacket potatoes? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 15:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

They are quite high on the glycemic index. Their starch is digested rather rapidly to glucose. Sucrose is not as high on the glycemic index as one migh suppose; its fructose content takes time to metabolize. The manner of cooking makes some difference, as does the age of the potatoes; very young potatoes are lower on the glycemic index. --Yaush (talk) 15:10, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Cinammon, lemon juice and vinegar

We may need to find an external link for this claim, but it has long been my belief that adding cinnamon to foods on diabetic diets helps to ease blood sugar in control. Also, the book "The Okinawa Way" does point out that although the jury is still out on this, it has been claimed that adding lemon juice to food helps to control blood sugar (I think that I have read similar claims for vinegar). If we could find reliable sources for these claims, they could be added to the article if no objects. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 14:35, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I think there may be something to the claim that short-chain fatty acids help sugar control (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v217/n5131/abs/217853a0.html). However, we need good cites linking this finding to the citric acid in lemon juice and acetic acid in vinegar before putting anything in the article, lest it violate WP:OR. The claim that cinnamon helps diabetes has been seriously questioned (http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/31/1/41.short) and I would object to putting anything about it in the article. --Yaush (talk) 14:53, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Which drugs?

In the section entitled "Alcohol and drugs" we are told that "Some drugs inhibit hunger control". Which drugs do this? Greater specification is needed here. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:01, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Concern over External links section

I am rather concerned over the "External Links" section. There must be many external links out there which do tell what suitable diets for diabetics are, but the links listed in the "External Links" section of this article do not seem to be doing this. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:48, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

More appropriate external links might be:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/diabeticdiet.html

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet-basics.html

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diabetes/managing/diet_and_diabetes_000686.htm

http://www.everydiet.org/diet/diabetic-diet

These all have a high Google search, but one has to be careful - at least one site with a high Google search is on Wikipedia's blacklist. I shall leave it to others to judge the quality of these sites. There may be some reference to the exchange system in some of these sites, something which is not covered very fully in the article as it currently stands.ACEOREVIVED (talk) 10:02, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

OK, I have now added an external link which I believe is to www.diabtes.org.uk - so I doubt it will be on Wikipedia's black list. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:52, 20 October

2011 (UTC)

One has to be careful too - I have just found that a quick Google search leads to over two million web pages if one types in "Diabetic Diet", but obviously, one will need to be an expert in these matters to judge their quality. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 22:17, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

About the vegan external link

I have just put in an external link based on what the Diabetes U.K. website says about veganism. However, I would advise people not to pay too much attention to all the comments that appear below the main body of this external link - I am very skeptical that, as one person who typed in commented, diabetes can be cured in thirty days by following a vegan diet. I have just sent an e-mail to Diabetes U.K. indicating my skepticism myself. Please note - this dubious claim was not from Diabetes U.K. themselves, it was from some one who typed in with a comment. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 10:45, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Reference for exchange scheme

This website:

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/dietandnutrition/managing/diet_and_diabetes_000686.htm

might contain some useful information on the exchange scheme. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 20:44, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Paleolithic diabetic diet

There seems to have been a lot of controversy, from looking at the history of this article, over whether it should include a reference to something called the "Paleolithic Diabetic diet". I know nothing about this myself, so would not wish to put in the article, but would be happy to have it put in if any one can find reliable sources for it. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 20:26, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Saturated fats

Where did the rather odd claim "That it is vitally important that a diet be low in saturated fats only if consuming grain products" come from? Personally, I saw this as a stupid and unverified claim and would like this to be removed from the article - any one agree?ACEOREVIVED (talk) 11:22, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

It is an odd and unverified claim. Go ahead and remove it. --Yaush (talk) 15:49, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. I have now taken your advice and removed the claim. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:16, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations to David J. Park

I see that David J. Park has said that his edit was his first ever edit. I just wished to congratulate him - looking at the history of the article, you did a good job there in making the meaning more precise! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 16:05, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it was a good edit. However, the congratulations would have been more appropriate at his talk page. I encourage you to move this section there. --Yaush (talk) 16:17, 31 January 2012 (UTC)