Talk:Dianne Feinstein

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Actions on September 28[edit]

Hours before she died; Senator Feinstein voted on the Senate floor for the last time, and later met with fmr Rep Jane Harman at Feinstein's home, around 5PM EST. I think these events are relevant and should be included in the section about her death. BlueOcean02 (talk) 19:11, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if these are encyclopedically significant enough events to warrant listing. DarmaniLink (talk) 19:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe not, her final vote was on a continuing resolution to temporarily avert a shutdown, that might be relevant elsewhere I guess. BlueOcean02 (talk) 20:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's certainly not relevant elsewhere. If anywhere, then here. Str1977 (talk) 11:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It was just an idea for a page on the looming shutdown. No need to overreact. BlueOcean02 (talk) 18:44, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
People here sometimes respond with a tone that cuts the bullshit and can come off as curt and sharp. Please try not to take it personally. DarmaniLink (talk) 23:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I understand, but people should probably think a tiny bit more before they speak. You can cut the bullshit, without being overtly direct. BlueOcean02 (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is frowned upon by some but if you take it personally you'll find yourself in more disputes than productive discussions. Best to just communicate, take the information, and roll with it and get back to making a better encyclopedia. :) DarmaniLink (talk) 01:53, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Since you posted immediately under my comment: How was my comment "overreacting"? Also, what's wrong about stating a point directly. There was nothing personal in my comment at all.
In an article on the looming shutdown, Mrs Feinstein is just one of 100 Senators, not more or less important than others. It doesn't matter if it is a Senator's first or last vote.
Her casting her last vote however might be relevant here. After all it was HER last vote. It might merit inclusion that she voted so close before her death. OTOH, giving that the vote was such a transitionary one, I think in this case the value to the reader is very limited. Str1977 (talk) 09:11, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, if its mentioned at all, it should be in passing, in a manner that prioritizes she voted X hours before her reported time of death over what the vote actually is, and only stating that as a passing fact of the matter in passing.
Something like (for example, i dont know the actual number and cant be assed to check)
"9 hours before her death, she voted for what would be her last time on the senate floor on a measure regarding the prevention a shutdown."
(obviously this is bad, its just what i could come up with in 15 seconds)
Its a neat tidbit but I don't really see a place for it. DarmaniLink (talk) 01:40, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Which is why I refrenced placing it elsewhere, but the shutdown was avoided so it's pointless anyway. As for the meeting Jane Harman it could probably be mentioned in passing when discussing polticians who paid tribute to her, it's just an interesting thing to note. BlueOcean02 (talk) 00:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
With the utmost respect, writing a Mini Essay about how you didn't over react is literally the definition of over reacting. But anyway I can see your point, think before you speak in future, so this sort of nonsense doesn't happen again. BlueOcean02 (talk) 00:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, a comment like this gives the impression of trolling. People can respond how they want, so long as they're not being profane or abusive. Lecturing people on tone will guarantee your edits do not get transcluded DarmaniLink (talk) 03:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully, I'm not trolling, I just want discussions to be as civil and polite as possible. BlueOcean02 (talk) 23:03, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How she was viewed on LGBTQ issues[edit]

Plenty of sources describe how Feinstein-as-mayor had a mixed record on LGBTQ issues. She supported gays at times, and at other times she did not.

She initially courted the gay vote to gain a seat on the SF Board of Supervisors. But Feinstein-as-mayor was notably less liberal on gays than her predecessor George Moscone. After becoming mayor, she told Ladies Home Journal that "The right of an individual to live as he or she chooses can become offensive", for which she was reviled by gays. When Moscone murderer Dan White was convicted of lesser charges, the gays protested, and Feinstein was lambasted for cracking down on protests. In 1982, she killed a bill that would have given benefits to "domestic partners" of unmarried public employees; a pro-gay bill. Because of these actions, she picked up the nickname "Ayatollah Feinstein" among gays.[1]

In Feb 1983 a prominent SF gay community group, the Harvey Milk LGBTQ Democratic Club, voted in favor of recalling Feinstein as SF mayor. In 1984, she sent plainclothes police into gay bathhouses as "spies", which prompted an angry response reported by the media. Warren Hinckle wrote about all of this with a retrospective view,[2] and many other contemporary news items cover it. Binksternet (talk) 14:26, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Her veto of domestic partnership legislation in 1982 is talked about in the page, and in the page about the recall election. BlueOcean02 (talk) 16:45, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Jerry Roberts wrote a balanced summary of her record on LGBTQ+ issues for Politico: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/09/29/dianne-feinstein-legacy-00116902. Perhaps it and the aforementioned primary sources can be synthesized with Trudy Ring's and Jeff McMillian's assessments for The Advocate (https://www.advocate.com/politics/dianne-feinstein-lgbtq-record) and The Associated Press (https://apnews.com/article/dianne-feinstein-lgbtq-rights-a736eb15f16c9f29da807b77fea72d12), respectively. Mcvayn (talk) 01:52, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edits removed with minimal rationale given[edit]

This good-faith edit regarding the linking to the California article may have reverted more content than it was intended to. Editors who have made adjustments to this article in the past few days may wish to double check that their edits are still incorporated into the body of this article. Thanks KConWiki (talk) 03:20, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Wei-On Yeo: this was your edit. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 14:18, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2023[edit]

Diane Feinstein entry states that “ the Supreme Court ruled against abortion rights “. What the court actually ruled was that abortion was not a constitutionally protected right but rather an issue that should be returned to the states. ( see Dobbs decision) 74.98.241.41 (talk) 04:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Partly done: I changed the text, per the source, to the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade – Muboshgu (talk) 17:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Committee chairmanships on Feinstein's profile[edit]

On the topic of including Feinstein's committee position's in the title, should we include all of her chairmanships and ranking memberships (including vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee) in the infobox? Are they specifically notable enough that inclusion in the lead is insufficient?

Asking with reference to this (largely unfrequented) consensus question on the WikiProject Politics page. This is so we can apply any consensus reached to articles of other senior members of Congress. SuperWIKI (talk) 11:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]