Talk:Dietrich von Choltitz

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"is said to have"[edit]

The beginning of this article states, "He is said to have disobeyed Hitler's order to leave Paris in rubble during this last stage of the war." That implies uncertainty about whether Hitler actually gave such an order (maybe it's true, maybe it's a myth). But then later on in the article it is stated as fact: "he disobeyed several direct orders from Adolf Hitler to destroy the city". I don't know myself (haven't even seen the movie) but if historians generally accept this as accurate, then the phrase "is said to have" should be removed from the intro. On the other hand, if historians are unsure, then that has to be stated expressly in the article.--Mathew5000 23:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The orders are reported as fact in other wikipedia articles like Eiffel_Tower, and Britannica also reports the Hitler orders as fact http://www.britannica.com/dday/article-9344610
The question is not over if the orders exist but if he disobeyed them out of choice or due to lack of men and material.--88.96.3.206 17:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


"Raoul Nordling"[edit]

The article on Raoul Nordling suggests that he played some role in helping (or persuading) von Choltitz to make his decision. A cross reference would seem appropriate.

Death[edit]

He died 'from a longstanding war illness'. Slightly odd wording. Was this a wound or an infection? Valetude (talk) 15:01, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

An interesting question, and one that I've been wondering about for some time. Every online reference but one that mentions his COD at all uses that same vague, odd phrase. (Whether it was copied from the WP article or vice versa is not clear.) The one exception describes it as simply "a long illness". I've looked at numerous print sources with no better luck. Granted, it's a small point -- but when & if I come across a definitive, reliably-sourced answer (unless someone else finds it first), I will certainly add it. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 16:11, 3 November 2014 (UTC)