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Old talk moved (along with page) to Talk:Ordinary differential equation. -- Walt Pohl 20:54, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

remove ODE table[edit]

That table is quite useful to have, but its only on ODE's and should be moved to that article, also the nomenclature should be more standard (I'm in the process of rewriting that article).F = q(E+v×B) ⇄ ∑ici 10:02, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Blend/remove classification summary and nomenclature sections[edit]

The section Ordinary DE classification is already contained in Ordinary differential equation and places too much emphasis on ODEs for this article, which should balance PDEs and ODEs. I am going to remove most of that section (especially deleting the table) and modify the more general section Nomenclature to compensate. F = q(E+v×B) ⇄ ∑ici 07:08, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

this article is unclear, i made this edit -- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Differential_equation&diff=516518566&oldid=516434444[edit]

this article is unclear, i made this edit -- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Differential_equation&diff=516518566&oldid=516434444 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coginsys (talkcontribs) 10:35, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

article is unreadable[edit]

this article needs to improve, it's really unreadable. it's unclear. you need to make it understandable to non-experts,

the lead should say what differential equation does. what it is used for and what it finds out. ALL ARTICLES SHOULD BE DOING THIS IN THE FIRST SENTENCE

that's just one example, i'll add more after the first problem is cleared up

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Make_technical_articles_understandable if you need help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coginsys (talkcontribs)

In my reading, the lead does say (in the second and third paragraph) what a differential equation is used for. Do you think those paragraphs can be improved (and if so, how), or are you concerned about something else? I don't see what part of Wikipedia:Make technical articles understandable you are refering to. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 09:19, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

list of problems in the lead[edit]

im not sure why it doesn't come earlier. the 5ws includes who, what, etc.

and some of these articles just has who in the first sentence or 2, all articles should at least have who and what.

anyway, i'll break it down for anyone who likes to make readable articles on wikipedia:

breaking down the lead[edit]

Differential equations arise in many areas of science and technology,

- this is fluff and repetitive of the last part of the first paragraph

specifically whenever a deterministic relation involving some continuously varying quantities

- ok...

(modeled by functions) and their rates of change in space and/or time (expressed as derivatives) is known or postulated.

- it just gets more and more abstract AND this sentence is WAY TOO LONG. are those even allowed on the MOS...

This is illustrated in classical mechanics, 

- yawns, i dont understand why some of articles are so dragged out and never get to the point0

where the motion of a body

- what body? do you mean object? like a boat? or any physical "object" -- does body specifically refer to physically bodies or what? does it include digital objects? this is very very unclear

is described by its position and velocity as the time value varies.

- what time value? what is this referring to? to the independent variable or the dependent one? where is this coming from? something said earlier? or frrom nowhere?

Newton's laws allow one (given the position, velocity, acceleration and various forces acting on the body) 

- is this implying that differential equation is ONLY for physical objects? because differential equation is applied to lots of different things. why it classical mechanics being used as an example? and only that? this is undue weight. this is also doesnt seem to be a really good example

to express these variables dynamically as a differential equation for the unknown position of the body as a function of time. In some cases, this differential equation (called an equation of motion) may be solved explicitly

- so what is this trying to find? what does differential equation finding? is it finding where the ball will land exactly? or the radius where the ball will land?

if so, is that the only thing differential equation does?
if so, it's made incrediably complex.
if not, then is it finding how fast the ball will go?
if so, does it average out the speed of the ball?
if not, then is it finding how fast the ball will go every second?
or does it find the change between the speed of the ball in the current second compared with the previous second?.

- ok, i think i'll stop here...

An example of modelling a real world problem using differential equations is the determination of the velocity of a ball falling through the air, considering only gravity and air resistance. The ball's acceleration towards the ground is the acceleration due to gravity minus the deceleration due to air resistance. Gravity is considered constant, and air resistance may be modeled as proportional to the ball's velocity. This means that the ball's acceleration, which is a derivative of its velocity, depends on the velocity. Finding the velocity as a function of time involves solving a differential equation.

Coginsys (talk)

very important example of what is good[edit]

look at the changes on http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Time_series&diff=518032407&oldid=516614772

someone actually made it better

"In the context of... the primary goal of time series analysis is forecasting"

...it is used for signal detection and estimation

can be used for clustering, classification, query by content, anomaly detection as well as forecasting

and they added important and significant sections

the article was just trash orginally and nobody was improving it

and then when you edit something, ppl dont improve it, all they do is change it back to the trash it was

Coginsys (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:51, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to deal with these problems, but here goes nothing.

A differential equation is, quite frankly, a technical thing, and a non-specialist can't seriously hope to understand the whole business by reading a Wikipedia article. If one of you folks is a good writer (but might not know the mathematics, but is on board with the objective of making a stab at an introduction for the layman,) here's something you might be able to use.

"In the mathematical treatment of the exact sciences, mathematical quantities are assigned symbolic variables, such as 't' for time, 'x, y, z' for position coordinates, 'm' for mass, and so on. Calculus is the study of the rates at which some of these variables change relative to the others. In the course of expressing a law, equations arise which contain both the variables themselves, and their rates of change, and it is these that are called 'differential equations.' The task that the subject of Differential Equations sets itself is broadly to understand the meaning of a differential equation in terms of the geometry that underlies it, and to discover, if possible, simpler equations with fewer of those rates of change (or 'derivatives', as they are called). In particular, if it possible, it is desired to obtain an equation with no rates of change (derivatives) at all."

The unreadability of the article arises not for want of effort, but by the nature of the material. The general suggestion to keep only the most qualitative descriptions of the problems and the approaches here, and move all procedural and specific material to other specialized pages is the only approach that will work. (Look in Brittanica, 1974. The problem was not solved there, either.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arch5280 (talkcontribs) 21:22, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Is the class of solutions always a set?[edit]

The article says: "solutions —the set of functions that satisfy the equation" but is the class of solutions really always a set? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.10.46.38 (talk) 15:30, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

What is the problem? The class of all functions from a given set to a given set is a set; and every its subclass is. Boris Tsirelson (talk) 19:12, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Add real-world grounding to the Examples[edit]

The Examples give formulas, but no indication of what real-world problems they relate to. A non-expert might well be helped by knowing that a particular formula describes behaviors that they already know about in a non-mathematical context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichMorin (talkcontribs) 05:41, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Seconded. As the it currently stands, the casual reader (such as myself) ends up with 42 browser tabs open with all the fancy math nerd terms used. Since those pages then reference other terms, the cycle is endless. An article this high on the list of frequently referenced math subjects should illustrate - with visuals and/or English - why exactly a differential equation is a differential equation, and show at least one example with a complete description of usage in a real-world scenario that can be followed with natural human intuition. Krushia (talk) 14:11, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

'Nuther Inane Intrusion by a Wikipedia Editor[edit]

As is too often the case, a perfectly sensible Wikipedia entry comes littered with colourful boxes sprinkled about by nit-wit editors.

The article has one of the funnier ones. Before we get to the article at all we have a screenfull of edi-boxes, of which the first begins "This article or section lacks a single coherent topic."

One cannot help but be reminded of Will Rogers's "I am a member of no organized political party. I am a Democrat."

Homeomorphically here, the article has no coherent topic. It is about differential equations.

David Lloyd-Jones (talk) 05:13, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Two of them were added by a drive-by editor without any explanation. I removed them. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 08:31, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Actually, the editor did somewhat explain his reasoning when he added those tags (diff), but it is easy to miss. — Tobias Bergemann (talk) 11:16, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
I stand corrected. No idea how I could have missed that. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 13:57, 14 January 2014 (UTC)