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First meal of the day?!
The article currently says "originally, it referred to the first meal of the day, eaten about noon". Not only is this unsourced, but I can't imagine dinner ever being the *first* meal of the day, even if eaten in the middle of the day! What about breakfast?! I find this very hard to believe.Gymnophoria (talk) 18:39, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- Etymologically, the word derives from the popular Latin "disjunare" meaning "to break one's fast". See the Etymology section of the article. Nick Michael (talk) 20:57, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Dinner has two overlapping meanings
The sentence "In Spain, the main meal of the day is actually lunch (~1:30 PM), and their dinners (~9:30 PM) aren't as big." is perfect, normal, standard American English (at least). Meanwhile, it is not unusual to hear people say "Will you come over for Sunday dinner at 12:30 this afternoon?", and I wouldn't dare say that's an error. So the lead should make that clear. Red Slash 00:13, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- I think you have imposed your own opinion on the lead and made it more biased towards modern American usage. May I change it back to the previous world-wide phrasing which more closely reflects the usage where I live? Dbfirs 07:40, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- "May you"--of course you may, I don't own this, but I think the dominant (though not exclusive!) meaning these days is for the evening meal regardless of its size. For instance, if I asked you (on the street in person) what time Spaniards eat dinner, what would you say--1:30 or 9:30? I cannot imagine anyone saying that the Spanish eat dinner at 1:30 PM--is this ignorance on my part? Red Slash 23:10, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- I have no knowledge of Spanish usage, but I think that the previous lead more closely reflected usage in English world-wide. I would consider it perfectly normal to say that Spaniards eat dinner at 1:30 p.m. (though I've no idea whether they actually do). That's a bit later than the time at which I eat my dinner. Dbfirs 07:09, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
- Interesting. You and I are using two fundamentally different meanings for this word! I would say that the Spanish eat lunch at 1:30, whereas the smaller of their two main meals, dinner, is typically around 9:30-10:00. That is, the defining characteristic of what dinner is to me is that it is invariably a meal eaten in the late afternoon, evening or night, unless context demands the old-fashioned (to me) meaning. I wonder whether or not sources have something to say?
- The two traditional dictionaries I found agree with you, but everything else I've found so far seem to strongly suggest that the interpretation I'm using is the dominant one nowadays.     (scroll down to "La Cena")  ... As we all know, dictionaries trail current usage--I daresay Merriam-Webster is wrong.  Red Slash 00:24, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- To me, your links seem to emphasise that the word varies in meaning with region. About.com, donquijote.org and livestrong.com are obviously written for an American audience that has dinner in the evening. If I were explaining, I'd say that "la cena" is supper, and that Spaniards eat a late dinner in the early afternoon, with tea (la merienda) in between. I understand that, in Catalonia, they eat their dinner (main meal, "dinar") around noon. This is a pattern that closely matches the tradition where I live. We often use the term "evening meal" for what you would call "dinner", and we know people who eat according to this pattern. It is becoming more common in the UK. The big Oxford English Dictionary says "The chief meal of the day, eaten originally, and still by the majority of people, about the middle of the day (cf. German Mittagsessen), but now, by the professional and fashionable classes, usually in the evening; particularly, a formally arranged meal of various courses; a repast given publicly in honour of some one, or to celebrate some event.", but that entry has not been updated to reflect modern usage by the "fashionable classes" (to which, I am told, I don't belong!) For an up-to-date set of definitions, see the Wiktionary entry. I've made a small modification to take into account your two meanings (with which I agree), but expanded to three senses. Dbfirs 07:36, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
For the following sentence: "The average dinner time in the U.K. for those who call their evening meal dinner has been found to be at 7.47pm."
- @MrWooHoo: Per MOS:TIME which states that colons are the separator for times, I have changed it to a colon. Esquivalience t 02:14, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
What a trivial article!
Lightweight, superficial, subjective. Why bother? Go read the McMillan web page cited here, bring in some of that. Go read the background notes to Pride and Prejudice, find out how dinner was.
PS Spanish eat their main meal about 2:30pm, followed by a siesta. They may eat a light supper about 10pm, maybe not.
- Do it yourself, bud! WP:SOFIXIT. Just make sure you replace information with BETTER information, but don't delete "lightweight" stuff you don't like, and not put anything in its place. Lightweight superficial stuff is better than no stuff. So feel free to improve along the lines you suggest. Yes, it will be hard work. We're all volunteers, here, you know? SBHarris 01:19, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- You made all that effort in moaning about the article but you've made very little effort in improving it....., The whole point of this place is to constantly improve articles .... Not go to every talkpage and moan about how shit they are!. WP:SOFIXIT applies. –Davey2010Talk 01:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- You said it – shit. Information! What information? It contains nothing informative, nothing that a five-year-old couldn't tell you. It's entirely subjective and personal - "I call my evening meal dinner, so that must be a world-wide trend." Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Mon 11:36, wikitime= 03:36, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- PS I made several corrections to the text.
Suggestions for additions
Some random fields to explore
- Dinner Parties - no need for repetition here of what is in the linked article
- Annual dinner for alumni, City dinner or other formal dinner
- Dogs dinner
- Phrases such as 'fatty 2 dinners xxxxx'
- Is 'the most significant and important meal of the day' repetition, or does 'significant' signify something different to important?
- BIG dinner , charity
- Dinner dance
- Last supper/Last dinner??
- Dinner jacket
- School dinners
- Dinners in art