Talk:Dive bar

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i frequent many dive bars, and i feel that this is a perfectly acceptable definition of such and establishment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nbpetts (talkcontribs) 20:10, May 26, 2005


That suggestion of the origin of the term 'dive bar' seems pretty unlikely to me. Was it just speculation or is there some evidence? To use the term 'dive' to explain going down below street level to a bar just doesn't seem very 1800s to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.216.175.58 (talkcontribs) 00:54, September 10, 2006

I've also removed another uncited etymology, this time linking "dive" to "divan". Since the etymology is clearly disputed, please add a cite if giving an etymology for this term. -- Karada 09:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

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Not Playboy magazine[edit]

The quote alleged to be from Playboy magazine is not from there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.196.37.45 (talk) 00:11, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Poor, uncited definition[edit]

The definition given is:

Dive bars generally have a relaxed and informal atmosphere—they are often referred to by local residents as "neighborhood bars," where people in the neighborhood gather to drink and socialize.

I don't think that properly defines a dive bar at all, and worse, it's completely uncited. I can't find a verifiable source to properly define a dive bar, but some of the definitions given on Urban Dictionary seem much more fitting:

A well-worn, unglamorous bar, often serving a cheap, simple selection of drinks to a regular clientele.

Where did the definition given in the article even come from? It seems flat out wrong to me. Tarcieri (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC).

Introductory definition is completely wrong[edit]

The term "Dive bar" is used as an insult to describe a dirty, cheap place.

A dive bar is to be avoided. The term conjures up a place that is is dark and dirty, where the floor is sticky, the furniture is old and damaged, the bathroom has not been cleaned for 2 weeks, and the sign out front is broken. The staff is unfriendly, the liquor is cheap or watered down, and the patrons are down-and-out, scary alcoholics. It's in a bad part of town, and if you go there you are likely to be ripped off, robbed, beat up, or all three.

"Dive bar" would never be used for a friendly neighborhood bar except as a joke. Or to be ironically affectionate, in the same way that you might call your friend a "bastard". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.159.167 (talk) 09:07, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Informal[edit]

I don't understand the definition ("A dive bar is an informal bar or pub"). First of all, is this equating a pub with an informal bar, or is it saying "informal {bar or pub}"? Secondly, how does an informal bar differ from a formal bar? Does it mean it lacks a licence to operate, or does it just somehow have a friendlier atmosphere? Are drinks ordered in the same way as in a formal bar, or differently? 15:48, 22 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.88.142 (talk)

Sorry — I think "informal bar or pub" is about as close as one can get with a written definition. For people who don't "get it", I think it would be necessary to resort to an ostensive definition. Wahrmund (talk) 16:25, 22 February 2015 (UTC)