Talk:Diverticulitis

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just[edit]

just so you guys know, i made those previous changes. i used some surgical textbooks as a source.

Please sign your comments and learn better surgery.TuppenceABag (talk) 16:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
rude (69.66.30.170 (talk) 19:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC))

Deleted link to 'Diverticulitis Diet Info from Diverticulitis-Diet.info' - this is SPAM site selling products, there is no information there that isn't covered in the main article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.179.97.55 (talk) 19:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Relationship to Alcohol[edit]

My understanding is that sustained, heavy drinking sharply increases the risk for developing diverticulitis. Any thoughts? --bamjd3d

Famous Sufferers?[edit]

I think it would give this subject just the kind of pizazz it's currently lacking. Does anyone know any? I think RnB sensation Usher may have it.

Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was recently treated for it. But isn't it a bit inappropriate to list famous patients? Cholerashot 21:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Isn't this the condition that the World's longest serving leader Fidel Castro is currently being treated for?

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I question why we need any referance to "famous" people, this dosn't provide any information about the condition, it's just tabloid fodder. DCwom (talk) 12:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Quite. Why does an encyclopaedia article abou a medical condition require "pizazz"? I came looking for it for the information, not to be entertained. 77.102.101.220 (talk) 22:50, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


Brock Lesnar, UFC Heavyweight Champ, just had a bout with this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.74.177.103 (talk) 05:41, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

There is no need to cite famous people with this disease. It does nothing to educate, only entertain. It is not necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.65.240.225 (talkcontribs) 00:24, 31 March 2011

Very right. Note that the list of celebrities was removed back in September 2008[1], and I think that it should stay removed. --Enric Naval (talk) 11:03, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

deleted current event[edit]

i deleted the current event status along with the fidel reference. a medical disease is obviously not a 'current event' nor does figuring castro so prominently in the article make sense. if he's going to be in there, then yes, at least create a famous sufferers section and place it at the bottom.

External link[edit]

I find the external link http://www.medstudents.com.br/gastro/gastro2.htm to be of negligible value and most of the information is already incorporated in the article. Anyone object if I delete it? Webquest 18:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Laws of Laplace[edit]

I don't know where this nonsense came from--I hope they don't teach this in medical schools. Laws of Laplace apply to fast flowing fluids, and they would lead to the lowering of the pressure in narrower passages. I removed this pseudo-scientific explanation. — Bartosz 07:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Right-sided diverticular disease[edit]

I am not sure how accurate this statement is "Left-sided diverticular disease (involving the sigmoid colon) is most common in the West, while right-sided diverticular disease is more prevalent in Asia and Africa". The sigmoid colon is the weakest part of the colon with the most pressure that may cose diverticula. Why would Asia and Africa develop right-sided diverticular disease? Thanks for an explanation. Worldedixor 18:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely. I suffered from it in the middle, however medically it probably just appeared as one or the other side most of the time, so the assumption was made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.170.179 (talk) 07:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

NEJM[edit]

Clinical practice article. JFW | T@lk 02:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

And one from Am J Gastro: doi:10.1111/j.1572-0241.2008.01879.x JFW | T@lk 10:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Celebrities[edit]

Why are people now listing Celebrities for medical articles??? is this how trivial wikipedia is becoming, this is an encyclopedia not Heat or Closer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.101.224.15 (talk) 19:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Haha, you are totally right, man. My bad for not thinking of this and deleting it myself months ago. --Enric Naval (talk) 01:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

is it hereditary[edit]

Hi, can anyone tell me if this is hereditry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.17.116 (talk) 09:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

"Hereditary factors may play a small role in the development of diverticulosis."[2]. Disclaimer: wikipedia doesn't give medical advice, so take this with a grain of salt. --Enric Naval (talk) 14:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


nuts, corn, popcorn[edit]

took out the claim that nuts, corn and popcorn cause the disease since that has been disproven. Also, why are we allowing references from NBC??? (69.66.30.170 (talk) 19:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC))

It's probably just that the editor didn't find a better reference. There is a new guideline called WP:MEDRS that tries to solve this sort of situations by explaining which are the best sources for articles on medicine subjects. --Enric Naval (talk) 19:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

This is a particularly ridiculous claim. As a person who suffers from diverticulosis, I know (and anyone else with the disease will corroborate this) that I can live a quite normal, pain-free life as long as I DON'T ingest any nuts or seeds. Whether this "causes" the disease is irrelevant. To someone who has diverticulosis it causes great pain and suffering. To spread the idea that people with diverticulosis should eat nuts and seeds is to encourage much pain and misdiagnosis of this very difficult disease. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.191.11 (talk) 15:20, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Fat[edit]

Being obese increases the risk of diverticulitis and diverticular bleeding: doi:10.1053/j.gastro.2008.09.025 JFW | T@lk 13:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

how to fix[edit]

Referenced or not this statement near the end of the page is mathematically contradictory. You can't have at least half against something and a majority in favor of it... I'd rather not delete referenced statements, but this is clearly false.

"Further, in a survey of fellows of The American Society of Colon and Rectal Surgeons at least half of the surgeons responding to the survey saw no value in avoiding such foods, however adherence to a low residue diet was still favored by the majority." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.150.35 (talk) 01:51, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I reworded it. It is clearer now? --Enric Naval (talk) 02:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Diagnosed[edit]

Iwas diaginosed by this at the age of 15 I was not over weight and was told most likely I was born with it. I had stomach pains most of my life on Feburary 16 2000 I went to the er complaining of stomach pains on the right side the did blood work and CT scans and said it was apendix and rushed me to the er when the surgeons got in my apendix was fine when they removed it the found the pouch inflamed and very enlarged I never drank and was only4'9 76 pounds and yes it can be heritery and does not mean you can get it because you are overweight —Preceding unsigned comment added by Without hesitance (talkcontribs) 00:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi! and welcome to Wikipedia! I am trying to make sense of your message above, and am struggling slightly.. The article doesn't seem to say anything about it being due to being overweight and mentions that it can be due to genetic factors.
If you are trying to add 'evidence' to the article, unfortunately personal anecdotes don't count as 'references', it tends to be papers or reports written on the subject that are used.
This article obviously means something to you, if you need any help, or have a question, feel free to write a message here!
Best regards Captain n00dle T/C 09:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


If you read under Epidemiology it does say it has been found in people as young as 20 due to them being obesied! SO I was making a connection there and was just explaining that you do not have to be an older person or a young person overweight —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.161.144 (talk) 23:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

error?[edit]

three words after note 11, there is the word reaction. Should it be resection? Rebele | Talk The only way to win the game is to not play the game. 04:10, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

It looks like an error, I changed it. --Enric Naval (talk) 08:50, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Treatment disparity[edit]

The article talks about a "low residue diet" being a treatment method, but the official advice in the UK is the opposite of that, with a high fibre diet being advocated.

See...

http://www.patient.co.uk/health/diverticula-including-diverticulosis-diverticular-disease-and-diverticulitis

and

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/diverticular-disease-and-diverticulitis/Pages/Introduction.aspx

... Shouldn't this alternative view be acknowledged in the article, and if possible, the disparity explained? Moreover which view is correct?!

--WikiStuart (talk) 19:25, 1 May 2014 (UTC)


Update: A bit more clarity on this point. A lot of patient information in the US and UK seems not to make a clear distinction between what to do in order to manage the condition generally, and what to do if you have an acute episode of the condition - i.e. a "flare up".

According to official UK guidelines, during a flare up...

"Recommend clear liquids only. Gradually reintroduce solid food as symptoms improve over 2–3 days." Source: http://cks.nice.org.uk/diverticular-disease#!scenariorecommendation:3

(Well that seems in keeping with what the Wikipedia article currently says and what several US patient info sites I've seen say).

Whereas for general management and prevention, the official UK line is...

"Advise a high fibre diet, if tolerated, to reduce the risk of developing symptomatic diverticular disease. In general, the diet should be balanced and contain whole grains, fruits, and vegetables. This is beneficial for health in general, as well as for reducing the risk of developing diverticular disease. Fibre intake should be increased gradually (to minimize flatulence and bloating) and a high-fibre diet should be maintained for life. Fibre from fruit and vegetables may be preferable to cereal fibre. Adults should aim to consume 18–30 g of fibre per day... Although the effects of a high fibre diet may be seen in a few days, it may take as long as 4 weeks. Adequate fluid intake is particularly important with a high fibre diet".

Source: http://cks.nice.org.uk/diverticular-disease#!scenariorecommendation

and

Source: http://cks.nice.org.uk/diverticular-disease#!scenariorecommendation:1

That's quite a significant distinction, is it not? - the difference between what to do during an acute episode and what to do for general management of the condition. I suggest it should probably be made clearer in the Wikipedia article.

(I presume US advise on general management and prevention outside of a flare up is the same as the UK. If so, it seems hard to find that info on the web, and if not, such country-to-country disparities should probably be highlighted).

--WikiStuart (talk) 19:25, 1 May 2014 (UTC)