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Relevance of similarities to Islamic works.[edit]

It seems odd to devote an entire section to the contested, modern notion that the Divine Comedy bears similarities to Islamic works. The notion is too unfamiliar to me to dismiss altogether, but the evidence presented makes no case: the notion of seven levels of Heaven is both in the bible and in classical astronomy, written hundreds of years before Mohammed. Likewise, it is absurd to suggest that traveling through the afterlife is rooted in Islamic literature; far older Judeo-Christian precedents which permeated early Christian literature include the Shepherd of Hermes and the Book of Enoch.

I just angrily posted a comment along the same lines period this is ridiculous that that section is even here. a man wrote his opinions of a book written 600 years before he wrote his opinions. His opinions have no place on this page where we are supposed to be providing unbiased factual information. This entire section on Islam needs to be deleted Sickboy254698 (talk) 22:28, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Theories on islam[edit]

I was under the impression we were in the business of providing facts without bias. This section on theories of Islam is ludicrous. 600 years after Dante wrote this book a man claimed that he had an Islamic influence. that is fantastic I don't care and neither does anyone else who comes here looking for the facts. the impressions of someone about a book written 600 years before that person wrote their impressions do not matter and should not be present here. The entire section needs to be deleted Sickboy254698 (talk) 22:27, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sickboy254698, this comment is so ridiculous that I barely know where to start--so I'll just say two things. First, this is how scholarship works--not by way of "impression", incidentally; that's for high school students. Second, please look at this list and tell us what you consider to be a decent cut-off date after which you will not accept any scholarly studies. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 15:57, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bramante Staircase (Vatican)[edit]

The French version of the Wikipedia article Bramante Staircase states something like (machine translated) "Variants of the geometric symbolism of the circle, the spirals - helicals symbolize a harmonious geometric movement of evolution or allegorical regression towards nothingness or infinity, rising or falling, like the Archimedes spiral, gastropod shell, helix or molecular double helix of the genome, or caduceus, or triple spirals of triskele, or cones of Hell (Divine Comedy), Purgatory (Divine Comedy), and Paradise (Divine Comedy) that lead to the empyrean of the celestial sphere of the Divine Comedy of Dante of the XIVth century...". Is this link with Dante correct? If so, is there a reliable source for this? And is the Bramante Staircase the correct place to make such a link? Wiki-uk (talk) 14:24, 21 September 2020 (UTC) P.S. The section includes 5 illustrations in reference to Dante's Ascent to Paradise and Descent into Hell, and the 'See also' section refers to an article about symbolism of geometric figures. Wiki-uk (talk) 16:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Scientific themes[edit]

In the scientific themes section, it could be relevant to cite the thesis according to which the Devine Comedy contains a description of a 3-sphere. The thesis is contained in Mark A. Peterson, “Dante and the 3-sphere,” American Journal of Physics, 1979, and more recently supported by the theoretical phisicists Carlo Rovelli, as described in this article https://pointatinfinityblog.wordpress.com/2017/02/23/dante-einstein-and-the-shape-of-the-world/ (and in many other sources). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heraultdesechelles (talk • contribs) 20:49, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Ref unnecessary here"?[edit]

@Deor: I'm confused by your reversion here. The caption mentions a date and artist for that painting that don't seem to be mentioned anywhere else. Why would we not reference that, per usual WP:V conventions? I added the cite because this info is to appear on the main page as part of POTD next week, and obviously all content there needs to be cited. Note also that the image opposite, "Rodin's The Kiss represents Paolo and Francesca from the Inferno" already had a citation on it. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 16:20, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Amakuru: By clicking on the image itself, a reader will be taken to a page that includes multiple references (including the Musée d'Orsay page you referenced) establishing the name of the artist, the date of the painting, and its subject. We don't usually include references in captions of artworks to back up information that's available in the image files. I assume that the ref in the other caption was included to back up the info that the sculpture "represents Paolo and Francesca", not that it's by Rodin. Deor (talk) 16:48, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]