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Diwali in Maharashtra
Diwali Celebration in Maharashtra First Day: Dhanatrayodashi Second Day: Narak Chatudarshi, or Choti Diwali, Roop Chaturdashi, Kali Choudas Third Day: Laxmi Pujan, Chopda Pujan Fourth Day: Diwali cha padva or Balipratipada, Gudi Padava, VarshaPratipada / Pratipad Padwa Fifth Day: Bhaubeej / Bhav-Bij
Diwali celebration in Maharashtra is interestingly different from what is seen in other parts of the country. In a typical Marathi family Diwali celebrations starts with 'Vasu-baras' that comes on tithi 'Ashwin krushna dwadashi' as per Marathi calendar. Vasu-baras is a celebration held in honor of cows - regarded as mother by Hindus. Following the rituals of the day married women perform 'puja' of cows having calf. The tradition symbolizes a woman’s gratitude towards cow for serving them and their children.
Tulsi-Vivah In Maharashtra, end of Diwali celebrations marks the beginning of Tulsi-Vivah. Under this people organize marriage of sacred tulsi (a basil plant) in their house. In Maharashtra the tradition is that people start organizing marriage ceremonies of their sons/daughters only once Tulsi-vivah starts. Celebration of Diwali ends with Dev-Diwali.
surprisingly no mention of Tulasi che lagna in diwali festival .Please do the needful .Thanks 22.214.171.124 (talk) 02:55, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Not done: Most of that is already stated in the article's section on Maharashtra. Please make any reqeust in the form "Please change X to Y". Thank you. --Stfg (talk) 19:57, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
1. O'Dea has added an image of India on Diwali by NASA from space see this. The caption notes at the end, "In reality, any extra light produced during Diwali is too dim to be visible from space." Given this disclosure, what useful information does this image add to this article on Diwali? Does the current caption mislead that the white areas inside the map are Diwali lights?
2. After reading MOS:IMAGES, I am unclear where wikipedia guidelines set a maximum limit on number of images in an article. Yes, too many images can be distracting and wikipedia articles should not become a gallery. But a sufficient number of good images can enhance the article. The latest version of the article has too few images.
I request input from other contributors to this article on which images to keep and which to avoid. For an article version with more images, please see this. Compare it to the current version. Please let me know.
FWIW, I was about to add citations to image and image boxes I had added. But, I will hold off for now. I seek consensus and collaboration to help improve this article. If we decide to bring additional images, I will provide WP:RS citations inside each image or imagebox.
The caption for the satellite image does not, as claimed, state that Diwali has made a difference to visibility of the subcontinent, which would be absurd, rather, it is a unique perspective on the day of the festival. As to the remaining images, if I had more time I would reflect on which of them to remove. It is still a heavily-illustrated article containing 17 images which is a lot, and it continues to exhibit excessive image content overlap. The article makes clear that it is a festival of lights, but we do not need as many images as still remain to illustrate this simple concept, where we see many illuminated buildings. There are also multiple pictures of lanterns and multiple pictures of rangoli. We also continue to have too many repeated fireworks images. So, rather than add images back in, we need to decide which remaining ones to remove, because of all this repetition – which Wikipedia policy discourages. I have added a link to the Commons collection of pictures to satisfy any desire for further illustration, in the unlikely event that a reader remains unsatisfied. The previous situation where there were two galleries and 44 images (!) was simply untenable. Readers might also note that some of the many images added by Ms. Davis were uploaded by her of people in her family. This is not a family album.— O'Dea (talk) 20:50, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Dear O'Dea, None of those images are of my family or friends. I uploaded them from Flickr creative commons, and they have nothing to do with anyone I know. I request you assume good faith.
I withdraw my observation about Davis using personal pictures, and apologise. The reason for the confusion was precisely because there are so many pictures to check: the tedium caused me to confuse the uploader name and the picture author name. Davis uploaded so many files just to illustrate this article that I incorrectly formed the impression that a handful of them were taken by her when I saw her name repeated so many times. My mistake: I should have paid closer attention. — O'Dea (talk) 08:57, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Ms. Davis uploaded and added to an amply-illustrated article 31 additional images exhibiting much exuberant thematic repetition. The following are the images she uploaded and added:
Images re-posted by O'Dea after removing captions explaining their uniqueness; see collapsed lists below for images with relevant captions - Peace, Lisa.davis
Firework in hand
Lit up building 1
Lit up building 2
Lit up building 3
Lit up building 4
Lit up building 5
Floor decor 1
Floor decor 2
Floor decor 3
Bear in mind that there already existed pictures in the article of many of these themes. Where a gallery existed, she added repetitive pictures to it and went on to create a second gallery. This is overkill. — O'Dea (talk) 08:57, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
What unique perspective does the NASA image offer? Few months ago, I had browsed NASA pictures for India, South Asia and other regions. There is no difference between 2012 Diwali image and non-Diwali image. Perhaps, let us invite comments from other contributors on this too. I can try to get NASA links, if anyone is interested. Either way, we should be careful about WP:OR. Right now, the NASA image is not persuasive to me.
The article had 22 images before I first edited this article this weekend, and after you first edited this article weeks ago (see this). If we remove the gallery section at the bottom of today's-O'Dea-edit version, the number of images/imageboxes drop back about 25, similar to version before I made my first edit. I am fine with removing the gallery section. I believe quality images should be included to sufficiently represent different aspects of Diwali festival, as well as adequately represent different regions within India. I like the Diwali celebration images from different countries you have kept so far.
┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ To ease input from other contributors, here is a numbered list of collapsed show/hide images which were in this article on Sunday, December 1 2013. These are in addition to images in this version of the current article. These image sets do not have citations, as this is talk page. If you have alternate quality images from Commons collection of pictures or elsewhere on wikimedia, please suggest.
Diwali is a 5 day festival, as well as a new year for many, with diverse regions of India celebrating Diwali in different ways. Non-lighting decorations, lighting decorations, fireworks, etc vary regionally in India. Diwali festivities inside India are far far bigger than those outside India. The quantity and the content of images should reflect this. A balanced, NPOV article would give WP:DUE weight to images with most important and significant aspects of Diwali. I suggest we aim for about 20 quality images from India, and 4 from outside India. Peace, Lisa.davis (talk) 02:38, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
This is the same problem, repeated. Here we have multiple images of dancers, multiple images of fireworks, multiple images of dishes, multiple images of rangoli, multiple images of illuminated buildings, and on and on. One image of each is enough to make the point. A picture of fireworks in India is the same as one in Melbourne. Pick one. The picture of mehndi does not belong in this article at all. It is worn often, not just during Diwali, not just for festivities. It is used like lipstick, but less commonly, so it is not unique to Diwali. Referring to how many pictures there are at other articles is just a version of Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. Perhaps it is the case that they need cleaning up, too. I have no time to discuss the other images now, but these proposals desire to re-apply photomanic excess and repetition to the article. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a picture gallery. Diwali is already a long article. Adding more pictures increases the download burden unnecessarily, for the sake of repeating illustrative points already made. — O'Dea (talk) 07:14, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Dear O'Dea - Above, you apologized for accusing me falsely of posting a family album. I read your apology, but please know that your false allegation was insulting and hurtful to me.
Let us try to reach an agreement here. We have agreed that wiki articles are not picture gallery, so let us remove the gallery section. We both agree images need to be less. On which images to keep and what to delete, see WP:JDLI and WP:OWN. "I just don't like it" is not persuasive, nor is "I just like it" for that NASA image you like. That applies to me, as well.
Wikipedia suggestions in I JUST DON'T LIKE IT cases
1. Editing disputes are expected to be settled by reasoned civil discourse, and editors are expected to base their arguments as to content upon what can be verified—without introducing their own arguments, analyses, hypotheses, and conclusions—from reliable and independent sources.
2. Wikipedia's editing community comprises a broad spectrum of people from around the world, and what is uninteresting and dislikable to some is of vital interest to others. (...) Human knowledge is what Wikipedia covers, and its extent is determined by the world at large, as documented and recorded in reliable sources, not by us as editors choosing what we personally consider to be popular." - WP:JDLI
Let us resolve our difference by adding proper captions to explain what makes the added image unique and useful. Since you have added back the NASA image you like, I will add back some images I like with captions. Either we leave both your and some of my images in there, or we delete both, during the period we resolve our dispute. Please extend me the same courtesy that you want me to extend to you. Peace, Lisa.davis (talk) 12:08, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
When I was growing up in a Tamizh Nadu Vaishnava family, we celebrated Deepavali. During those formative years, I did not know the term "Diwali". The Diwali term was probably derived as a lazy way of saying Deepavali. Diwali has no meaning. As I understand Deepavali means line of lights; this makes more sense. I wish people would [use] the word Deepavali.
We believe the significance of Deepavali is the celebration of Lord Krishna vanquishing Asura Naraka, good over evil. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 22:58, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
There are lots of Indian languages; I'm sure they all say this a little differently. That said, It does look like Divali and Deepavali are common enough to deserve inclusion in the opening line, certainly above "Festival of Lights" (which is more often going to have referred to Hannukah in English in the past). — LlywelynII 08:04, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
When I came by the page, there was an entirely needless English pronunciation in the opening line. Don't restore it; kindly remove it if someone does.
In English, dih-wah-lee is a straight-forward pronunciation of something spelled "Diwali" and throwing IPA in people's faces is more unhelpful than not. Keep NAD in mind and just port that info over to Wiktionary. Now, if someone wants to add the pronunciation of various Indian dialects... well, I'd still say that belongs in the name/etym/etc. section and not the lead, but it's at least encyclopaedic and somewhat helpful. — LlywelynII 08:04, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
I'd disagree, The consonants are obvious, but not the vowels. The first and last "I" could be pronounced "i" like in "kit" or "eye" like in "kite" or "ee" like in "key", then the "a" could be pronounced "aye" like in "Kate" or "are" as in "cart" or "a" as in "cat", or any of them could be unstressed too, giving even more possibilities. In fact even the "w" could logically even be a kind of "u" sound.
Diwali is not the most obscure topic or word, but it's not the most well known either, it is a foreign word after all, and I don't think having the pronunciation in the lead is over kill or turning into a dictionary. Just because you and also I know how to pronounce it and find it easy doesn't mean everybody will. My OED has the pronunciation for approximately one in ten words, not every single word, but it has it for Diwali, and I used it for a reference. It's pretty standard for Wikipedia to have pronunciation of such words and put it in the lead too.
For example a huge number of very well known cities and nations, with fairly logical pronunciations include pronunciations. Check out Los AngelesLondonParisBerlinTokyoJapanFranceGermany and probably thousands more, in fact some of them go as far as having a sound file also in the lead to further aid letting the reader know the correct pronunciation. I feel I should add the pronunciation back, but I do not wish to edit war, and we should ask for the opinions of others if this becomes an issue to see what the wider consensus is. Carlwev 12:26, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
The pronunciation in the lead sentence is not necessary. Any interested reader can find it in the etymology and names section. It is, as Llywelyn notes, better ported to Wiktionary.
While I left the Divali and Deepavali in the lead sentence, do we need the alternate names there? After all, the lead infobox and section below already has it too. Abbey kershaw (talk) 13:09, 11 October 2014 (UTC)