Talk:Doctor Neo Cortex

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Did You Know
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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Crash Bandicoot character Doctor Neo Cortex was kept stationary in many of his early appearances because his model's short legs kept him from walking properly?

Psychopathy[edit]

I dunno about you guys, but it seems that Cortex displays quite a bit of the traits of psychopathy. Let me explain.

  1. Superficial charm and above average intelligence
  • I dunno about the charm bit, but he's an evil genius, which might count as above average intelligence.
  1. Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking
  • Throughout the Crash Bandicoot series, I've never witnessed Cortex display any signs of delusional or irrational thinking.
  1. Untruthfulness and insincerity
  • In Crash Bandicoot 2, he frequently lies to Crash so that Crash can gather Crystals for him.
  • In Crash Twinsanity, he lies about himself being the most popular kid in school and himself being heartbroken about his parrots being sent to the 10th Dimension.
  • Cortex deceives Crash twice in Crash Tag Team Racing into getting parts for two of his vehicles, telling Crash that he plans to use one of them for "mass helping people".
  1. Lack of remorse or shame.
  • In Crash Twinsanity, he showed no signs of either when his aforementioned parrots vanished.
  1. Pathological egocentricity and incapacity to love.
  • Cortex seems to think highly of himself, especially in Tag Team Racing. Also, he is never seen being sexually attracted to anyone.
  1. Sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated.
  • What sex life? My point exactly.

Where these traits do appear to be present in this character, several of these traits present with psychopaths also overlap with traits present with Narcissistic personality disorder, which he appears to have more in common with. Further, Doctor Neo Cortex is described here as having a personality similar to a typical mad scientist, and generally narcissism is more strongly associated with mad scientists than psychopathy is. However, I would like to hear a response as to whether or not this is an accurate category.--66.24.229.7 17:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes you are actually quite accurate, May i add he is, well..... pretty useless combatant without his gadgets, he is also scared off by a few enemies in Twinsanity. i dunno but he's a bit spineless, Uka Uka is always commanding him and Cortex usually just 'obeys' him without question. kjlangkjl 07:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring[edit]

I want to see a discussion and not more edits trying to outwit the other. If the protection is lifted and you continue to edit war, you may be blocked for a longer period of time. -- ReyBrujo 20:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, since CBFan was merely reverting the page for convienience, I've going to go ahead and revert it back to the earlier version, EXCEPT for the disputed statment. We can discuss that here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.42.99.93 (talk • contribs).
NO! That's NOT discussing the issue, that is ONLY asserting YOUR opinion...again. To keep it neutral, we HAVE to get back to the version BEFORE it was edited. By you editing it before ANYTHING has been discussed, you're vandalising. We discuss it here first, THEN we edit it. Once we come to an agreement, we edit it. NOT before. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CBFan (talk • contribs).
  • No, most of those edits were minor cleanups, and half of them weren't even mine. Now, I've removed the only edit I made that you have a problem with, but the rest of the edits stay.

I apologise. My language wasn't at all apropriate. Sorry, Tuxedo.Coco 03:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New Photo[edit]

Would you consider getting rid of that photo from Crash Bandicoot Warped and replace it with a photo from Crash Tag Team Racing?

Tag Team Racing, eh? While I can't really help you in terms of photos, I might be able to make a request to someone who has an emulator. How about an emulated photo of Doctor Cortex in the Tag Team Racing cutscene "Von Clutch Makes A Deal"? Cat's Tuxedo 21:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good Idea

Yeah! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CocoBandicoot17 (talk • contribs).

How do you all like the new photo I put up? Cat's Tuxedo 00:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm.... I think they kind of killed the image of our fave characters... I mean, look at Tiny! He looks like a tiger, not a thylacine!!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CocoBandicoot17 (talk • contribs).

Look, Cat's Tuxedo was asked to chance the pictures and he/she did (my apologies). The last thing he/she wants is one person ranting and raving about them, especially a person who hates a game they have not played.

She was talking aboot the photo of Cortex's Titans appearance, which I didn't put up (though I did submit three other photos for this article). And for future reference, I'm a he. Cat's Tuxedo 19:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I'm sorry.Coco 01:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Voice[edit]

Wil you please put a "Voice" section like you put in other articles of the Crash Bandicoot characters? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.187.116 (talk • contribs).

Fair use rationale for Image:CortexChild.JPG[edit]

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Fair use rationale for Image:CortexStationery.PNG[edit]

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Fair use rationale for Image:FirstCortex.JPG[edit]

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: David Fuchs (talk · contribs) 17:09, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]


{{doing}} Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 17:09, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • General and layout:
    • There's an IMO excessive amount of plot details in this article. Given that the Crashed games are not really plot-driven, it seems really odd we're spending 250 words on the character's personality and then a further ~600 words on his fictional backstory before we even get to his video game appearances.
      • Trimmed the backstory down to the bare essentials, especially since one of the sources is out. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 22:00, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'm not sure what's left counts at the "bare essentials". The article implies the backstory basically only exists in the story bible and some tapes, which in turn means it's not really that essential to understanding the plot. It also suffers from an overly familiar tone that is confusing for someone who hasn't played the games— Crash Bandicoot (the character) doesn't even get introduced and explained in the body of the article, nor does the Cortex Vortex. Keeping it simple and brief makes for a much more comprehensible story. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 17:12, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • Cut it down further and moved what's left to more relevant sections. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 19:00, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • What's the thinking behind the paragraph about the tapes? Most of them seem to only tangentially relate to the character directly, and by their nature seem extraneous to the story. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 16:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
              • The character conducted the events of the tapes, namely training and naming the main player characters, and the tapes also establish his role in the previously-unexplained presence of other recurring characters in the series; until this point, the player character Coco and the regular boss characters N. Gin and Dingodile had effectively appeared out of nowhere and had no context given to their original introductions, and the fact that Cortex is personally responsible for them being a part of the series' universe at all is at least worthy of mention. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 17:52, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • The reception section feels like a grab-bag of statements strung together, rather than being logically organized (by general reception, stuff like voice acting, or via game.)
      • Adjusted to make the topic of each paragraph more clear. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 22:00, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • The final paragraph still is a series of "X from Y said 'Z'" quotes, one after another. Finding a way to summarizing critics and using quotes sparingly makes it much easier to read and makes the thrust of the prose clearer. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 21:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Prose:
    • Prose needs some work.
    • The idea for Cortex was conceived by Andy Gavin and Jason Rubin while eating near Universal Interactive Studios with Naughty Dog employee Dave Baggett and Universal Interactive president Mark Cerny. This is a mouthful and is hard to parse.
    • Cortex was kept stationary in much of his early appearances—many of his early appearances.
    • There's a lot of use of quotes, which gets extremely tiring when it's used repeatedly and especially without clear attribution (who is calling his proportions "debonair"? Who described Davin's voice as "silly"?)
    • The figure will be released in both a standard and exclusive edition; the exclusive version features a light-up hoverboard, mine and smoke trail.[69][70]—will be released? When?
  • References:
    • In general I'm not a big fan of the primary citations to the game itself in the appearances section. They don't often clearly or totally cover the full set of statements they end after. Secondary sources would be better if they're out there.
    • Sources inconsistently formatted (sometimes websites are italicized, sometimes they're just treated as publishers instead, etc.)
    • What makes Polarbit and Hypebeast reliable sources?
      • Polarbit was the developer of Crash Bandicoot Nitro Kart 3D, and managed to find an F4F page with the equivalent info, so Hypebeast is gone. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 22:00, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Spotchecked statements to 15/51 current refs, didn't spot issues with verification or plagiarism.
    • The Imgur link appears to be a WP:COPYVIO.
      • Crap. Well, since I can't find a substitute for that, guess that's gone. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 22:00, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Media:
    • I'm not sure I see a compelling use for File:CortexSketch.gif and File:Neo-cortex-crash-bandicoot-2.jpg. Their fair use rationales are exceptionally thin, and in the article itself there's not a lot of supporting commentary. I think you might be able to make the case for one of them to demonstrate his early appearance, but there's not actually much about his actual appearance in terms of reception nd such. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 19:08, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • I can kind of see your point about the concept sketch, though I would think it'd seem off to discuss a character that was created during the PS1 era and not display how he looked during that time period. Course, if that's still not good enough, I wouldn't object to getting rid of them both. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 22:00, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • The point is that every piece of non-free media has to be justified as to how it being missing would be actively detrimental to the article, as well as just being nice to have. There's not a ton of critical commentary about the character design in the reception or similar that would justify that non-free content right now, and a lot of the features in the development section equally apply to the current version of the character (giant head and tiny body) and thus don't need additional visual elaboration. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 17:12, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Will do a final pass and evaluate. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 18:17, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:26, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ... that the Crash Bandicoot character Doctor Neo Cortex was kept stationary in many of his early appearances because his model's short legs kept him from walking properly? Source: "He could never really walk with those short legs. He had to do a weird thrusting tra-la-la dance. But he looked cool so we just kept him stationary most of the time." [1]

Improved to Good Article status by Cat's Tuxedo (talk). Self-nominated at 19:15, 19 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]

  • Date of GA and length fine. However @Cat's Tuxedo: I'd like to promote the original but I do need to ask, what makes All Things Andy Gavin a WP:RS? I ask as it appears to be more of a blog than an RS. Also it might be beneficial if you do mention Crash Bandicoot in the hook too. The QPQ is done with no close paraphrasing. Please ping me with your response and I will have another look at it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 18:32, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @The C of E: Andy Gavin is the co-creator of Crash Bandicoot, so as far as that particular subject goes, any platform managed by him can be safely considered reliable. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 19:34, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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