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The Map[edit]
While I appreciate the attempt to add some color to the article, the map in the lead doesn't accurately portray the Dominions, it merely shows the Crown's dominions. I hesitate to remove it without other input, so I'm putting this here -- MichiganCharms (talk) 06:43, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
- You're right! It's a map of Victoria's empire. It's the dominions with a little d as opposed to the Dominions with a big D.Well spotted!--Gazzster (talk) 10:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
- I vote for keeping it there. The map is a historical artifact that demonstrates what the word "Dominions" conveyed at a point in history. What is your authority for suggesting otherwise? What is inaccurate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Al139 (talk • contribs) 00:44, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- The problem is that the map shows every British possession in red. The "Dominions" being addressed in this article are a very specific legal concept, distinct from the word "dominion". It show's Victoria's dominions, of which the Dominion of Canada is the subject of this article. --- MichiganCharms (talk) 01:58, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
- The lead says: "This article is about the Dominions of the British Empire and of the Commonwealth of Nations." If the article was limited to "Balfour Declaration Dominions", I'd vote to take the map down. But the "very specific legal concept" of "Dominion" was a in fact a very brief borderline honorific and shouldn't negate evidence of how the word was used in the British Empire for the hundreds of years prior to the Balfour Declaration. Al139 (talk) 16:22, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
- But the article is precisely about that specific, albeit brief meaning of 'Dominion:A dominion, often Dominion,[1] refers to one of a group of semi-autonomous polities that were nominally under British sovereignty, constituting the British Empire and British Commonwealth, from the late 19th century.[2] They have included (at varying times) Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Newfoundland, South Africa, and the Irish Free State. After 1948, the term was used to denote independent nations that retained the British monarch as head of state; these included Pakistan, Ceylon (Sri Lanka), Kenya and Canada. The caption to the map says that the marked areas are 'The' Dominions, meaning those countries indicated in the leading paragraph. I agree it's an interesting map. But it belongs better to British Empire perhaps.The meaning as 'used in the British Empire for the hundreds of years prior to the Balfour Declaration' refers to a disambiguation. And disambiguations are referred to in the italic lead.Gazzster (talk) 23:11, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
- As Gazzster correctly notes, the article is about the "Balfour Declaration Dominions". Perhaps the map, which I agree is interesting, could be moved to the "Definition" section which discusses the more historical use of the phrase? I feel like having it in the lead is slightly misleading. I'd also change the caption. -- MichiganCharms (talk) 22:03, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
- But the article is precisely about that specific, albeit brief meaning of 'Dominion:A dominion, often Dominion,[1] refers to one of a group of semi-autonomous polities that were nominally under British sovereignty, constituting the British Empire and British Commonwealth, from the late 19th century.[2] They have included (at varying times) Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Newfoundland, South Africa, and the Irish Free State. After 1948, the term was used to denote independent nations that retained the British monarch as head of state; these included Pakistan, Ceylon (Sri Lanka), Kenya and Canada. The caption to the map says that the marked areas are 'The' Dominions, meaning those countries indicated in the leading paragraph. I agree it's an interesting map. But it belongs better to British Empire perhaps.The meaning as 'used in the British Empire for the hundreds of years prior to the Balfour Declaration' refers to a disambiguation. And disambiguations are referred to in the italic lead.Gazzster (talk) 23:11, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
- The lead says: "This article is about the Dominions of the British Empire and of the Commonwealth of Nations." If the article was limited to "Balfour Declaration Dominions", I'd vote to take the map down. But the "very specific legal concept" of "Dominion" was a in fact a very brief borderline honorific and shouldn't negate evidence of how the word was used in the British Empire for the hundreds of years prior to the Balfour Declaration. Al139 (talk) 16:22, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
- The problem is that the map shows every British possession in red. The "Dominions" being addressed in this article are a very specific legal concept, distinct from the word "dominion". It show's Victoria's dominions, of which the Dominion of Canada is the subject of this article. --- MichiganCharms (talk) 01:58, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
- I vote for keeping it there. The map is a historical artifact that demonstrates what the word "Dominions" conveyed at a point in history. What is your authority for suggesting otherwise? What is inaccurate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Al139 (talk • contribs) 00:44, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Dominion Bank[edit]
I made a change to the reference "Toronto-Dominion Bank (founded as the Bank of Toronto in 1855" to "founded as the Dominion Bank in 1871 and later merged with the Bank Of Toronto" this brings the statement into line with the subject of the article Mcmatter (talk) 18:12, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Reverted Spelling corrections[edit]
Recognized, sizable and pressurized were spelled correctly, I have reverted that edit. I also standardized those words through out the article. Mcmatter (talk) 14:44, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
- You also uncorrected "nevetherless". I restored the typical British English spellings (which are also correct) per WP:TIES. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:54, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Removal of citation to poor quality source[edit]
I have removed the footnoted reference in the lede to this PDF file. Although on a university server, it's of very poor quality, especially as a reference for the fairly technical subject of "Dominion status". My guess is that it's simply notes written up by an (anonymous) student.
Besides the fact that two of its five sources are general encyclopaedias, it not being footnoted, and the weak quality of its interpretations, it's only a general history of the British Empire. It also contains a number of blatant errors and misleading statements, such as Australia being discovered in 1788, the Cape of Good Hope being conquered by the British in 1814, the two former Boer republics becoming self-governing colonies in 1902, and (worst of all) the shipping of African slaves to British America beginning in 1162! The timeline tops it all off by claiming that South Africa gained Dominion status as a non-White country in consequence of the Second World War...!
Andrew Gwilliam (talk) 13:20, 14 August 2011 (UTC).
Spurious globalize tag[edit]
A quick check of the interwiki links show they all refer to Dominion (United Kingdom) as noted in the edit log. That's the globalization, the interwiki links. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 19:31, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- There have been more dominions than those of the United Kingdom. The current article does not represent a worldwide perspective.--R-41 (talk) 04:21, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
The word "dominion" has multiple meanings. While it does not exclusively refers to the former British possessions, "Dominion" was a British legal term used to refer to the former self-governing colonies or the latter Commonwealth Realms. Instead of reworking the article to reflect a global perspective, I suggest a page move to British Dominions (which is a previous title of this page), or Dominions of the British Empire (there is a difference between the "United Kingdom" and the "British Empire", as the former only refers to the United Kingdom proper in the British Isles while the latter refers to the whole empire). Then, we can start a new article here putting the term in a worldwide perspective, or move Dominion (disambiguation) here. --Joshua Say "hi" to me!What I've done? 03:50, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
