Talk:Don Kaye

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Gygax's memory - Death year 1975 or 1976[edit]

There are some published interviews and biographies with Gary Gygax that state that Kaye died in 1976, but Boot Hill was created and published in 1975 in memory of Kaye, so I am leaning towards 1975 as the official year. AngusWOOF (talk) 17:06, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Just as a note, Gary Gygax's memory of past events sometimes changed from telling to telling, especially around years, so first-person recollections from him should be corroborated from two or three interviews, or from other sources, as you have done regarding Kaye's death. Likewise, most sources state that Gygax's father moved the family from Chicago to Lake Geneva after Gary got involved in a fracas with a gang of boys when he was 8. I have not seen any reference to the family moving back and forth from Chicago to Lake Geneva before that, so the assumption is that Gygax and Kaye met when they were 8. However, unless a definitive source is found that states when exactly Gygax met Kaye, I'm good with age 6. Guinness323 (talk) 18:04, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Okay, some sources for the move years, only one source affirms first meet at age 6 but lots confirm the year 1946 and visiting the area often:
  • The Scott Lynch interview has Gygax saying they first met at 6.
  • Wired magazine article: You are Ernest Gary Gygax, a restless boy born in Chicago in 1938. Every summer, you head to your grandparents' home 80 miles away in Lake Geneva. You move there in 1946, just before your eighth birthday. You are skilled in hunting — whether taking out squirrels with a .22 or shooting wild pheasants with a 16-gauge shotgun. Your father, a suit salesman and a violinist, makes up bedtime stories for you, fantastical yarns about heroes with magic rings and invisibility cloaks.
  • Ciro Alessandro Sacco's interview on Kyngdoms: "My family removed to Lake Geneva in the summer of 1946. "
  • Also have an obituary source lakegenevanews.net that confirmed Gygax moved in 1946 (age 8).
  • Scott Lynch Interview: "Anyway, after I moved to Chicago (1956) I saw Don only on weekends I returned to Lake Geneva, but when I came back for a Christmas Holiday in 1958 I brought Avalon Hill's Gettysburg game with me, and introduced Don to board wargaming thus. After I moved back to Lake Geneva again in 1963, he was one of the regular members of the Lake Geneva Tactical Studies Rules Association, mainly playing WW II miniatures." AngusWOOF (talk) 19:00, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
The one that seals the deal for me is the "In Memorium" I found in "The Strategic Rewiew". This was published in Summer of 1975. BOZ (talk) 19:53, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Boot Hill[edit]

The article currently states that "Gygax and Blume created and published Boot Hill in memory of Kaye." However, Strategic Review #2 (Summer 1975, the same issue that contains the Kaye memorial notice) says, "We have tested and reworked them [the rules for Boot Hill] for over a year..." This would indicate to me that although the game was likely released in memory of Kaye, it was conceived the previous summer (1974), and the rules developed while Kaye was still alive. Knowing Kaye's love of the genre,(see Murlynd), it is very possible--although impossible to prove--that Kaye took an active interest in Boot Hill and helped to playtest it while he was alive.

I suggest removing "created and" from the final sentence of the article. Guinness323 (talk) 20:29, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. AngusWOOF (talk) 20:38, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I also like how in Gygax let Murlynd equip "Kaydon's Thunderous Bolters" AngusWOOF (talk) 22:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Gygax didn't allow gunpowder into the Greyhawk setting, so he had to think up an explanation for how Murlynd's "hawgs" operated. Making them magical wands that delivered deadly missiles worked for everyone. (Edit -->) Even a system that suspends normal science has to have an internally consistent science. Guinness323 (talk) 22:19, 18 April 2012 (UTC)