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Why does Wolfgang Kaleck redirect here?[edit]

Lawsuits[edit]

Alleged torture[edit]

Civil actions[edit]

On March 1, 2005, the American Civil Liberties Union and Human Rights First filed a lawsuit against Rumsfeld in a federal court in Illinois on behalf of eight detainees who they say were subjected to torture and abuse by U.S. forces. [1] A federal judge dismissed the charges against Rumsfeld, citing the legal precedent that U.S. Government officials cannot be held personally responsible for actions committed while in office.[2]

On December 18, 2006, U.S. citizen Donald Vance filed suit against Rumsfeld and the U.S. government alleging illegal incarceration and torture he endured in Iraq, including violation of habeas corpus rights. Vance, a former U.S. Navy sailor, went to Iraq as a civilian security-contractor for Shield Group Security (SGS). When Vance felt he was in grave danger, U.S. forces retrieved him from the Red Zone, but subsequently detained him without charges for 97 days at Camp Cropper.[3] As of early 2008, the case had not proceeded past the evidentiary stage. [4]

Criminal charges sought[edit]

A group of activists spearheaded by the U.S.-based Center for Constitutional Rights has sought to bring criminal charges against Rumsfeld twice in Germany. [5][6][7], at least once in France[8][9] , Sweden and Argentina[9], and has indicated an intention to do so in Spain.[10]. The accusation is of command responsibility for alleged human rights violations committed by American forces under his direction against detainees in the War on Terrorism, or of giving improper legal advice leading to the same. The activists have also pursued former CIA Director George Tenet; Attorney General Alberto Gonzales; Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, then-Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence Stephen Cambone; former Assistant Attorneys General Jay Bybee and John Yoo, lawyers William James Haynes II and David Addington, and numerous lower-ranking military officers. [11][5] The suits in Germany[10][7][12] and France[13] were rejected by local prosecutors.

Manfred Nowak, the special representative on torture at the UN Commission on Human Rights stated in January 2009 that Donald Rumsfeld and others should be prosecuted for war crimes due to their approval of the interrogation methods used on prisoners at the USA military base Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. [14]

This is an interesting fact =[edit]

Not necessary going to go to the front page, but gosh, thats a tad insane

Mr Rumsfeld was sent a careful, conscientious 900-page report by the state department containing detailed plans for the post-invasion period. He reportedly dumped it, unopened, straight into his waste-paper basket.

This is from here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11135500

Edit request on 13 May 2012[edit]

On sept 10th 2001, It should be noted that he announced the pentagon lost/missplaced 2.7 Trillion dollars. Not million, not even billion, but TRILLION?!? Hmmmm I wonder where the corresponding finacial information was stored... Quelle suprise, in the same spot the pentagon was hit. Makes ya wonder... And I'm not a conspiracy nut (Jesse Ventura hahahhahaha so crazy) Sources- Gov/millitary websites 24.69.85.54 (talk) 11:45, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

You need to provide a specific source to support your claim. Monty845 04:54, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Hagiographic tendencies?[edit]

Did his literary agent have much to do with this blarney?

"His tenure has been noted to be one of the most pivotal in recent history; as one of the key individuals responsible for the restructuring of the military in the new 21st century, Rumsfeld was crucial in planning the United States' response to the September 11, 2001 attacks, which included two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Highly popular with the media for his outspokenness and candor,"

He is one of the most hated figures of the modern era, despised for his wholesale incompetence and his appalling mixture of arrogance, bullying, and cluelessness. By hanging on to him, Bush lost the Senate to Democrats in 2006. I'm sure he was wildly popular on the Republican-controlled Fox network, otherwise, this is disinformation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mare Nostrum (talkcontribs) 12:51, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Donald Rumsfeld is American of German decent[edit]

Donald Rumsfeld great-grandfather Johann Heinrich Rumsfeld emmigrated from Weyhe in Lower Saxony (Germany) to the USA in 1876. Donald Rumsfeld's father George Donald Rumsfeld was the grand child of Johann Heinrich Rumsfeld. Henry Rumsfeld (Henry is the english form of Heinrich), the son of Johann Heinrich Rumsfeld, is the father of George Donald Rumsfeld.

Donald Rumsfeld visited Weyhe at November 16th 1976.

Edit request on 13 February 2013[edit]

The link to a current version of 'Rumsfeld's Rules' in the 'Works' section of 'External links'is broken. A current version is available at www.rumsfeldsrules.com. Please update accordingly. Matt9311 (talk) 00:11, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Camyoung54 talk 20:56, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 July 2013[edit]

No mention is made of the editorial published by the Military Times Media Group which played a substantial role in Rumsfeld's resignation / removal. If this extraordinary event can't be fully covered by Wikipedia while he's alive, due to the rules on biographies of living persons, it should at least be noted as a unique event in United States history.

Ref: "Time for Rumsfeld to go." 11/3/2006. Army Times; Air Force Times; Navy Times; Marine Corps Times. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/15552388/. Accessed: 2013-07-25. (Archived by WebCite® at http://www.webcitation.org/6INvORWn0) alternately, http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fid%2F15552388%2F&date=2013-07-25 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janeqpublique (talkcontribs) 21:49, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

war crimes controversy[edit]

undid the removal of war crimes controversy by User:Fat&Happy as wikipedia is international, and NPOV. it might be better to discuss this here before removing controversial text as "unsourced" from an article bearing "promotes the subject in a subjective manner". --ThurnerRupert (talk) 11:31, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

BLP Enforcement[edit]

Friends, we do not write thinly sourced, bad things about living people, such as stating or implying that they are war criminals. See WP:BLP. Please discuss sources and hash out what, if anything, has been reported in reliable sources. Once there is a good consensus, editing on this topic might resume. Anybody who restores a thinly sourced war crime allegation may be blocked without further warning. Jehochman Talk 03:35, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

jehochman, does NPOV not imply to state both sides of a discussion? the paragraph "war crimes controversy" was clearly citing both sides. it is relying on the fact that the reader is grown up and capable to make up his own mind about cited sources of both sides. calling the most reputed newspapers in germany "thinly sourced" seems not right. it seems not right to only allow u.s. american sources, especially for a politician of world renommee, a public person paid by u.s. taxpayers money. but omitting this international sources is just one side of the "peacock" tag. also important u.s. american sources are omitted, just to cite a couple of them: Detainee Report, Report Blames Rumsfeld for Detainee Abuses, Chapter XII: THE 'MAVERICK' GOES ESTABLISHMENT. --ThurnerRupert (talk) 13:21, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Without having checked the discussion in detail: Both Die Zeit and the Süddeutsche Zeitung are among the most respected and serious German newspapers. They are reliable sources. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 13:33, 27 October 2013 (UTC)