Talk:Donna Summer

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Who keeps changing this article?[edit]

The original version was better. This article that now stands is quite bland, does not go into enough detail, and almost comes off as favoring Donna instead of being impartial. One thing that blatantly stands out is the whole missing section on the controversy about her alleged anti-gay comments. It doesn't matter if someone believes Summer didn't say those things (because there are just as many people who believe she did). But the bottom line is, it is an integral part of her life and career, and it cannot just be skipped or left out because a fan doesn't like it in the article. Another way of looking at this; lets say in the O.J. Simpson article we leave out the fact that he was accused of two murders. Why? Because he said he didn't do it and he was found not guilty. Does that mean that event should not go into his article, and that his article should only be about his football career and the movies he has made? No. It STILL should be in his article because it was an integral part of his life. In fact, the way it was presented in Summer's article was fair because it gave comments and points of view from both sides. But regardless of that, this article is not as strong this way...Please revert it back.

PLEASE revert this article back. Its full of incorrect information. Under the so-called "Struggles With Geffen" section, it says Polygram Records purchased Casablanca Records after Neil Bogart's death. This is not true. Polygram purchased 50% of Casablanca Records years earlier, and after Neil Bogart's free-spending while running Casablanca, Polygram decided to purchase the other half and then it fired Neil Bogart. He then went on to form Boardwalk Records, and one of Bogart's early signings was a then-new solo Joan Jett, who had some level of successs in Japan with her group The Runaways. Neil Bogart then later died of cancer. Please revert this bland, incorrect article back to its original form. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.251.112.134 (talk) 21:24, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

You can add that stuff in the respective paragraphs. The article as it was written was badly organized. But just remember if you want to add the other information, please do and cite your sources otherwise, the article would once again look a mess. This article needs a Wikiproject badly and it would be better if you weren't "unsigned", then we can change it together. Otherwise, we'll have this back and forth with the production of this article. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 20:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Where is the whole section on the gay controversy. This was a huge part of Donna Summer and it's nowhere to be found in the article. How can something like this be deleted, and lesser things are put into other people's articles? Doesn't make sense really... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.251.112.134 (talk) 05:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

It seems that it was removed by User:BrothaTimothy on 20 Nov 2011, but I have just restored it because it was an important aspect of Summer's career. BrothaTimothy, if you remove sourced content again, you will be reported and your account will be blocked. This is not a Donna Summer fansite and Wikipedia is not in the business of obscuring details about a person just because it is unflattering. 88.104.21.234 (talk) 12:32, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Conflicting information on cause of death[edit]

Some sources say it was "lung cancer", others say it was "breast cancer". Perhaps this should just be called "cancer" until the media sort it out and provide a definitive report. — QuicksilverT @ 17:03, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

It looks like this section was vandalized or something like it. Someone wrote she died of "ass cancer" and I can't locate it in the Wiki Editor. Sshuffield70 (talk) 17:13, 17 May 2012 (UTC)sshuffield70

Donna Summer passed away at her beach home on Manasota Key, (Englewood) Florida. Here is the link to the local newspaper article ... http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20120517/WIRE/120519611/2416/NEWS?Title=Donna-Summer-queen-of-disco-dies-in-Englewood — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.31.243 (talk) 22:34, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

The Sarasota Herald-Tribune says in its published headline that she actually passed away "In Englewood". With that said, she lived and most likely passed away at her family beach house on the island of Manasota Key (Englewood post address), Florida (located in Sarasota County). It is not likely that she passed away in Key West (as stated earlier on Wikipedia). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.31.243 (talk) 22:59, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

The Associated Press account of Donna Summer passing away at Key West is incorrect. See Sarasota Herald-Tribune lead article on Donna Summer's Death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.31.243 (talk) 23:09, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Tampa television station WTSP 10 also confirms that Ms. Summer passed away in Englewood, Florida. Here is the link: http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/255637/250/Singer-Donna-Summer-dies-in-Florida-at-63. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.31.243 (talk) 00:05, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I changed the phrasing of the 9/11 reference to "she believed" as the source states. Tomsv 98 (talk) 21:13, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Why would the Daily Telegraph not be considered a reliable source? Tomsv 98 (talk) 22:35, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Donna Summer needs a legacy[edit]

She's the Queen of Disco, why isn't it a legacy written for her?--Braina90 (talk) 17:07, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, not a tribute site. If you want to write a "legacy", whatever that is, you're free to do it elsewhere. — QuicksilverT @ 17:28, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I think s/he means a section on Summer's legacy. And the simple answer is that either a. No reliable sources have attributed a legacy to her or b. No editor has compiled such sources into a paragraph. If you think you can find such sources, go ahead and add them! Achowat (talk) 20:35, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/arts/music/donna-summer-queen-of-disco-dies-at-63.html --Braina90 (talk) 23:12, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/obit/story/2012-05-17/donna-summer-disco-queen-dies/55039474/1 --Braina90 (talk) 23:12, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/05/17/disco-queen-donna-summer-dead-at-63-report-says/ --Braina90 (talk) 23:12, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

http://www.billboard.com/news/donna-summer-queen-of-disco-dead-at-63-1007084752.story#/news/donna-summer-queen-of-disco-dead-at-63-1007084752.story--Braina90 (talk) 23:14, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

NyTimes,UsaToday,Billboard Hot 100,Fox news all called her Queen of Disco, she needs a legacy section.

Those are very good sources. She is "The Queen of Disco" which is already in the infobox under A.K.A. Four word do not equal a "Legacy section" Mlpearc (powwow) 00:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Influence section would be more like it. I am shocked there isn't one. "I Feel Love" is precursor to all electronic pop and dance music since, 12" inch "long form" single single became common etc. Numerous reliable sourcing in obit/appreciation articles discuss this. [1],[2],[3],[4] I am busy with life and my usual articles but if nobody does this and I get time I will add this. Edkollin (talk) 16:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Wow http://www.billboard.com/news/rock-hall-regrets-donna-summer-snub-1007096352.story#/news/rock-hall-regrets-donna-summer-snub-1007096352.story

Birth name[edit]

The article currently lists the birth name as "LaDonna Adrian Gaines." However, page 445 of Joel Whitburn's The Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits (5th ed. 1992) lists the birth name as "Adrian Donna Gaines". I have no idea which is correct. Famspear (talk) 00:41, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

You'll also find find a lot of sources (also recent ones like NBC or USA Today) for "LaDonna Andrea Gaines". Which seems to make more sense than "Adrian" IMHO.--NSX-Racer (talk) 00:49, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
I wonder if her real middle name is either Adrianne or Andrea. It's kinda weird if her family gave her a "male" middle surname. Donna's life is so private that little is really known of her background, there was a sketch of it in her Biography special. Maybe her middle name is wrong. I don't know. I think it's LaDonna Adrianne Gaines though. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 01:29, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
I brought this up on the talk page back in 2006. Just check page 5 of Donna's 2003 autobiography, "I was born LaDonna Adrian Gaines on New Year's Eve...". Crisso (talk) 11:33, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. So Adrian it is. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 01:03, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Here's a link. Just click on cover to look inside and scroll down to page 5. Crisso (talk) 18:00, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Insert link to Wikipedia article for "The Woman in Me"[edit]

Under the paragraph heading for the 1980's is a reference to a "minor hit", The Woman in Me, on her eponymous album of 1982. There is no link attached to the song title, but there should be, since a page exists for this song at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woman_in_Me_%28Donna_Summer_song%29

50.50.111.205 (talk) 02:20, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Thanks. Dru of Id (talk) 02:50, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

BLP, BDP[edit]

Per WP:BLP protections (which still extend to the recently deceased), I've removed any information on potentially sensitive subjects here that has no source (lawsuits, depression, lovers, etc.) with this series of edits:[5]. Hopefully sources for this info can be found, though, and some form of it restored. The article still has several sections that appear entirely unsourced. Khazar2 (talk) 04:06, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Anti-gay controversy[edit]

Under the sub-heading "Controversy" we read about her anti-gay comments (which she did make), but didn't she later recant and help to raise money for an AIDS victims charity connected with Elton John? If any one knows more about this, it could be added to the "Controversy" section. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 08:13, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 May 2012[edit]

Donna Summer's real name was LaDonna Andrea Gaines, not Adrian!!

Supersadie (talk) 08:54, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Most sources disagree with you, and support this edit. If you have other reliable sources, they need to be brought here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
N Not done. Please provide reliable sources. matt (talk) 12:05, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Great article[edit]

What a great article. I had forgotten much about this singer and am glad to read it here. Congrat's to all editors. As to the anti-gay remark, while it should be mentioned, please let us not give UNDUE weight to the remark. While it is unfortunate if true, it should not rule this article. If I had a dollar for every anti-italian, anti-french, anti-women anti-american remark heard in my lifetime I would be a wealthy women indeed. Once again, great article! Mugginsx (talk) 10:42, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Place of death[edit]

The Associated Press reports that Donna Summer passed in Naples,FL, not Key West. Flltonyb (talk) 12:29, 18 May 2012 (UTC)Tony B

Donna Summer's father was not a butcher[edit]

Hello. The article was great, however Andrew Gaines was not a butcher. He worked for one of the large electronics manufacturers in Massachusetts. He was still employed at that company after "Bad Girls" came out. He worked with my father. Don't know what his job title was.

This is the 1st time I have commented on an error so I'm not sure how this can be verified. Thanks

174.141.213.44 (talk) 13:03, 18 May 2012 (UTC)Lei-Lei

Premonition of 9/11[edit]

I'd propose an edit of the paragraph dealing with Summers' claimed premonition of the 9/11 attacks. Looking at the source article in the Daily Telegraph, one can see that it was, in fact, a claim. We have only Summers' word for it, and she may well have misremembered the details. How about inserting "Summers claimed that" at the start of the sentence?

Userboy87 (talk) 16:38, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Mugginsx (talk) 17:00, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Doubt she would misremember something like that but I changed the language anyways. Deleted the part where it was reported she claimed her lung cancer came from toxic dust. According to the source the original sources are "friends" telling TMZ she claimed this. Not reliable enough for BLP. Need a reliable source specifically naming somebody reliably close to her claiming she believed this. Edkollin (talk) 17:05, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Mispelling: 'diagnosed' instead of 'dianosed'[edit]

Minor correction(Lapis123 (talk) 18:04, 18 May 2012 (UTC))

Dive right in, and welcome to Wikipedia! Khazar2 (talk) 18:14, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

LaDonna Ruby Rozaldi?[edit]

Are you guys serious right now? Man, this page needs an overhaul for real. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 01:35, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Developments[edit]

As is pointed out five short threads above this, Donna Summer reportedly died in Naples. But in the lead of this article, it says she died in Key West. Later in the article, it says she died in Englewood. Key West, Naples, and Englewood are not even close to each other geographically. The recent death template was added here; and barely one full day later it was determined that the tag was no longer needed. The circumstances are still quite "hazy", and I am alarmed by the trend to want to remove {{recent death}} tags before the issue is actually resolved. So I have restored the tag: and I encourage you all to read the news and appreciate that these things take time. More than one day. I didn't even know that she was a non-smoker that died of lung cancer. Did any of you? Now we do. Doc talk 10:22, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

I watched an interview with her on one of the entertainment shows last evening where she stated that she lived less than a mile from ground zero at and after 9-11 and inhaled the smoke and other fowl smells coming from the area. She has apparently blamed her lung cancer on that, however, I did not hear that part on the interview, only as to where she lived on and after 9-11. Mugginsx (talk) 10:49, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

It's interesting that you say that, because I noticed the title of this ref when scanning through the article initially. Doc talk 10:55, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

As far as claiming she is blaming 9/11 this is the quote in The Telegraph "She had largely kept her battle with lung cancer out of the public eye. But the website TMZ reported that the singer had told friends she believed her illness was the result of inhaling toxic dust from the collapsed Twin Towers". The sources are unnamed "friends" telling TMZ. This not reliable especially for a biographical article. Edkollin (talk) 19:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Yes, and your reference would indeed be a good one. They also showed a clip on another entertainment show where she is talking about the dangers of smoking and smoke to one's voice, but I do not have a verifiable source for that. Mugginsx (talk) 13:07, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

As a child of the '70's I remember people being able to smoke on airplanes, with ashtrays in the armrests. How many smoke-filled clubs did she perform in, night after night? Exposure to second-hand smoke could be a possible cause as well. The exposure to the 9/11 stuff was even more shocking, and this needs more work (as does the entire article). More will be written by good sources that we can use. Aside from that, I don't think that the recent death tag should removed until we can at least establish where exactly she died. Keeping the semi-protection for a spell is also a good idea. Doc talk 13:27, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

I thought of that as well but I do not think she worked many night clubs. As for concerts, even in the sixties, indoor concerts prohibited smoking because of fire regulations (I went to many and , yes, a few were smoking - but not the usual cigarettes - if you know what I mean. So I do not think she was exposed to too much smoke as say, a Las Vegas nite club performer of old was. Just my opinion for what it is worth. Also small clubs such as Miami Beach hotel club rooms usually prohibited smoking also because of fire regulations, even back then. Mugginsx (talk) 15:57, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Here's a source that says she did smoke. And here's a pic that's a bit incriminating. Those interested may want to look at the discussion these links came from - Plastic cities on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science. HiLo48 (talk) 05:00, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Very interesting indeed. Good finds! Doc talk 05:29, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
I saw that pose as part of a video where she was posturing while telling another she did NOT smoke. Sort of a joke as I recall it. You are just seeing a still of her posturing with the cigarettes while talking to another person who is not in the pic. I do not believe the cigarette is lit. It is not definite evidence. I really do not know if she smoked or not but in the video she seems to be saying she does not. Mugginsx (talk) 11:15, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
The pic is nothing without a reference, aside from interesting. But the article source does indeed say that "she was a smoker". We have lots of other sources saying she was not a smoker. Isn't it fun, attempting to figure this stuff out? Doc talk 11:20, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
I doubt she was a smoker. It goes against her devout religious beliefs. She seemed really strong in her beliefs and I doubt besides that prescription drug mess in the mid-1970s that she ever was addicted to anything if not to her life, her music, her love of painting and being a wife, mother and grandmother. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 01:05, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Wow, that's a bit presumptive and saccharin. I know several "devout" Christians who are heavy smokers. I wouldn't dare to draw that conclusion. HiLo48 (talk) 03:18, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm not saying that was true of all Christians. Just her maybe. I read about those "devout" that are heavy smokers. Plus it also may be because she cared too much about her voice that she didn't dare smoke so that is probably a bigger factor than religion. The wording I did earlier was wrong so I apologize for assuming that. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 06:57, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 May 2012[edit]

Donna Summer lived and passed away in Naples Florida. She and her husband have a home their. 69.247.54.224 (talk) 13:21, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

The 'Death' section already states ' The New York Times reported that she died at her home in Naples, Florida.[19]'. Dru of Id (talk) 13:40, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

German godspell and hair should appear in the discography[edit]

Under her birth name Donna Gaines she seems to have stared in the musical Hair, singing in German.

The recording http://www.amazon.com/Deutsche-Originalaufnahme-Haare-Hair/dp/B000CQRFSC/ref=sr_1_12?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1337650993&sr=1-12

German web page with mention of Donna Gaines http://www.relativityhair.de/catherine.hair/Hair.html


German WP page with some details http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Summer

Donna Gaines listed as a being in the German musical http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/467301

So I think it should be listed in her discography.

Infobox edit[edit]

Since there's a template that says not to make changes to the infobox or lead section without discussing, here is my full explanation of changes. These are according to the musical artist infobox MOS:

  1. Removing nickname from Alias/aka parameter. Only official stage names go here. There's a place for nicknames in person infobox but not musical artists. Don't ask me why. You'd have to take it up on the talk page there.
  2. Removing USA wikilink, which is considered overlinking.
  3. Changing Singer-songwriter to "Singer, songwriter". According to definition, a singer-songwriter is one who writes all (or nearly all) her own songs – words and music.
  4. Changing < br > to commas (per MOS) in labels. And actually parenthetical year ranges aren't really supposed to go in infoboxes, but since they're small, I'll let it go. --Musdan77 (talk) 22:43, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

The lead section...[edit]

OK, who edited and put "Upside Down"? That was a Diana Ross hit. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 20:55, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


Pokémon 2000. The Power Of One[edit]

should it also be mentioned that she did a song for Pokemon 2000 The Power Of One? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.60.194.188 (talk) 02:24, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm surprised that previous mention hasn't been made, particularly in light of Herman Cain's quoting of this song in his presidential campaign. (Or maybe it has been, and was removed in the edit wars following her death.) -Kain (talk) 07:02, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Legacy Section has not been updated with Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction[edit]

Obviously this is pretty recent and has been updated in the header but the legacy section explicitly says she was never inducted, which is no longer true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.129.33.122 (talk) 02:09, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Singapore et al. and Donna Summer[edit]

Donna Summer has a huge following in Singapore and most of Malaysia. There are night clubs which play almost exclusively Donna Summer songs which have hand gestures associated with them that everyone knows--a type of dancing using the symbolism of the song to create the gestures while standing still. Given that a search for "Donna Summer" returns mostly articles related to her death from Singapore, I'm surprised they haven't been mentioned. Anyone actually from Singapore want to write about the Donna Summer phenomenon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.35.176 (talk) 16:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Rush Limbaugh[edit]

It was notable, because it was supposed to be an example of a celebrity who reacted to her death.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Vnisanian2001 (talk) 16:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

The Reaction section is not just a list of celebrities' reactions to her death. Most of them actually knew her, and all but President Obama are in the music industry. That's why those are notable. --Musdan77 (talk) 05:12, 25 June 2013 (UTC)