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Drums[edit]

Drumming is an art which adds colour just like any other instrument, its an accompaniment. Art! NO rules!--[[User:220 Hey, there's a problem with the linking to other Wikipedias of this article. Drum links to Spanish "Barril" (Barrel), what, simply, doesn't mean the same thing. As a confirmation you have the link to barrel from Spanish Wikipedia's Barrel.

--GTubio 18:56, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Improvement drive[edit]

A related topic, Percussion instrument has been nominated to be improved on WP:IDRIVE. Come and support the nomination there or comment on it.--Fenice 06:52, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Question:[edit]

Can somebody tell me where can I find the list "The Best Drummers in The World"? Aeternus 19:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

There is no "best drummers in the world", and I don't believe there is a best drummer in the world. But DigitalDreamDoor.com has some lists like that including 100 Best Rock Drummers and Most Skilled Drummers. -- Case Of The Punks

Question#2:[edit]

Hi I posted link at the external links section, to DrumSoloArtist.com and CambridgeBayWeather has removed it I want to have an explanation of why the link has been removed, as I think that DrumSoloArtist.com has LOTS of info on Drum And Drummers, like lots of drum related techniques, drum forum, drum wiki - where drummers submit all kinds of drum related articles, drummers community portal, and one of the biggest drummers lists on the web - just to name a few. Here is the link to the differences between pages http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drum&curid=7950&diff=46866133&oldid=46462063 Thanks in advance.

There are hundreds of drum related sites on the web. Wikipedia is not a link farm, and is not the place for an inclusive list of drumming resources. Please read WP:EL for more information. Rather than adding just a link, try adding to the article using info from DrumSoloArtist.com, then list the site as a reference. Incidentally, there are other links in the external links section that are of questionable value. Strobilus 17:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Nowhere near enough[edit]

This article is nowhere near finished. Drums have been around for thousands of years, with uses ranging (over those years) from tribal ritual, religious practices, warnings and alarms, battle taunts/military marches, from accentuating notes and ornaments in music right back to the baroque period up until now in modern music. Not to mention electronic substitutes in dance/electronica music.

There is a wealth of history in the drum that far exceeds any other musical instrument. We need some good experts on the subject to expand this article much, much further. I've put a banner up to encourage expansion. Have a look at how well the guitarists have done with theirs. -- IanUK 21:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Caution is advised however, as an encyclopedia is not intended to be an exhaustive authority on a subject. For that, we have the further reading section. The bass guitar editors learned their lesson the hard way :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kudpung (talkcontribs) 17:41, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Drum kit?[edit]

Why does it have that drum kit components thing? This article is about drums not the drum kit. If there would just be an image of a drum kit it would be OK but this article is not the place to read about drum kits. There's another article for that.

I agree.......... you didn't sign your comment by the way ... Don't forget the 4 tildes Freddythehat 20:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Music therapy[edit]

Drums are used often in music therapy. I've added an article stating such from the washington post, but there are thousands of other such articles that can provide similar sourcing. The music therapt mention should probably be expanded, disussing how instruments can be used with individual clients and with groups, and how drums have been found as a particularly useful tool to do so.leontes 05:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

It sounds as though it should be a separate article (Drums in music therapy). --Mel Etitis (Talk) 10:01, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
heh. I meant only a couple of sentences explaining more detail. Mind you, if it ever becomes unwieldy, it certainly could be moved to a new article.leontes 14:04, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

How do drums create sound?[edit]

This, I think, should be heading on the "Drum" page. Because it should explain how sound works as well.

There is a section on how drums make sound. It links to other, more sound orientated pages for your second idea. 72.48.20.210 (talk) 01:10, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

history - drumming on stalagmites?[edit]

I was just watching a David Attenborough show called Song of the Earth (2000) [1] and Graeme Lawson, archaeologist from Cambridge University claimed that cavemen drummed on stalagmites and other stone/rock surfaces in caves ('played them like xylophones'). If true it would be interesting to add to history, as it would push back the "first drums" date quite a bit (10s of thousands of years). Sbwoodside 18:31, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I found some stuff: see lithophone and sections 3.6 and 3.7 (and maybe more) of this paper [2] Sbwoodside 18:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't seem relevant to drums (which, by definition, have some sort of membrane make the sound), but to percussion. The oldest perucssion instruments are far older than the oldest drums, as they are much simpler to make, and, indeed, like stagmites, appear ready-made in nature. Rigadoun (talk) 20:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Not all drums have membranes, take a Log Drum for example, but I agree with your point, the action of drumming, to Drum, is not the point of this article, and does belong in Percussion instruments Philip.t.day (talk) 19:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

"Box drum"[edit]

What is that drum thats shaped like a box called? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.155.141 (talk) 21:37, 30 January 2008 (UTC) a drum makes a

A Cajon is most likely what you are talking about. http://www.makingmusicmag.com/cajon/cajon.jpg 72.48.20.210 (talk) 01:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

External links[edit]

It seems that two of the external links, 411drums.com and drumming.com, do not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for external links. I'd like to remove them, but am getting quite a bit of protest from the operator of the sites, who insists on replacing them. Is there anyone out there without a conflict of interest who'd like to weigh in on this? — Bdb484 (talk) 04:29, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Both sites provide links to drum tabs. As noted in Tablature#Legal issues "As of Monday 12 December 2005, distributing free tablatures of copyrighted music using the internet was considered illegal by the music industry in the US." Wikipedia does not link to sites that violate copyright, so the links must go. That doesn't address the other problems such as Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided, #1 and Wikipedia:External links#Advertising and conflicts of interest. something lame from CBW 00:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Dear Bdb484, We have already discussed this issue to much length when you first removed the link and with the help of other members thought we came to a conclusion that the inclusion of 411drums as an educational site that does provide much more in-depth information than the article was fine. I do not understand why you feel the need to circumvent those discussions held here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drummer182) and continue your actions. I am not the owner of either of those sites. I did inform the owner that his link was maliciously being removed and he joined me in fighting to correct this error. Regarding the drum tabs, as the content is not located on 411drums.com, it does not violate any copyright laws as nothing violating copyrights is hosted within the content so that is not an issue. Dear CambridgeBayWeather, please refer to the discussion referred to above which already discussed your objections and proved sufficiently the value of 411drums enough to get the article unlocked by an admin after the original actions taken by Bdb484. Please do not try to re-hash issues that have already been resolved just because the result did not turn out in your favor. Drummer182
I appreciate you providing the link, as it allows everyone to see that zero people agreed with you about including those links. The article was not unlocked by another admin; it was automatically unlocked because its protection was set for one week, which had expired.
You signed your post as president of Drum Bum, Inc., which both drumming.com and 411drums.com say are "in affiliation with drumbum.com." If that affiliation does not make you the owner, you still have an interest in keeping the links because those pages provide links to drumbum.com, which has a purely commercial value.
And if it is true that you and some other person have been working together to edit war, that violates still another WP policy.
All the policies aside, I think you're missing the larger point: There is no one on Wikipedia who thinks your pages are worth linking to. — Bdb484 (talk) 14:10, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Dear Bdb484, Thank you for your reply. It appears that you are the only one who thinks it is not worth linking to as you've gone out of your way to do so. The only reason I involved the owner of the site was because I would not drag his site into such a back and forth issue and risk damaging the reputation of his site without his knowledge. I simply pasted his reply to me in the discussion so that you got his side of the story as well as he is not one to sit idly by while something he worked on so hard gets attacked for no good reason. I think it is important to see the entirety on an issue rather than blindly focusing in on one aspect without any room for adjustment. My mistake on why the thread was unlocked but it does not devalue the argument made.
Your main argument was that it was spam which it is not. It provides a wealth of knowledge beyond what is contained here. The site is not malicious but actually helpful as thousands of drummers who have visited it in the many, many years that it has been made available have found. The sparse links to affiliated sites found on 411 drums are no worse than the deluge of Google Ads that permeate the other sites linked on the article that is currently listed, actually less so since those Google Ads are directly at the top which shows the main purpose of that site is to make money and not educate. Education is the foremost function as countless drum teachers have used it as a valuable resource for so many years. Why you would want to rob future and budding drummers from expanding their knowledge beyond the scope of what could reasonably be contained within this article is beyond me.
It appears that you now have a conflict of interest in this matter as well as it seems to have become vindictive at this point since you are no longer discussing but mounting opposition as seen by the tone of your last sentence. I think you should remove yourself from this discussion and allow the rest of the community to decide its worth beyond your narrow scope as the only one in the talk listed above (where you say no one agreed with me) who disagreed was you. Thank you. Drummer182
Again, a lot of really great points, but you're still missing the main one. Everyone who has become involved in this long-running discussion has said the link needs to go. I'm not surprised that you think your site is great, but that doesn't make you any different from every chump who comes here trying to boost his traffic.
No one wants your link. Get rid of it. — Bdb484 (talk) 14:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

removed text[edit]

All types of drums, such as timpani for example, are tuned to a certain pitch. Often, several drums, other than timpani drums, can be arranged together to create a drum kit. [1]

  1. ^ Black, Dave (February 1998). Drumset Independence and Syncopation (1st ed.). Alfred Publishing Company. pp. 4–12. ISBN 978-0-88284-899-0. 

(The reflist is just so this formats properly of course. Despite the name=Black parameter, this ref doesn't seem to be used elsewhere in the article at present.)

The first paragraph is just plain misleading at best, and possibly POV. I think the editor must have misunderstood the ref. The second is vague, I hope my replacement is a bit more informative and dare I say accurate. Andrewa (talk) 18:17, 31 October 2013 (UTC)