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Unsure of the merits of this edit by a newbie. Remember we are describing in this paragraph a basic, standard student kit, and the hi-hat is already given a line of its own. So one or more suspended cymbals was 100% accurate, and is more specific than one or more cymbals. Not worth reverting without a little more thought, the new version is also accurate, just flagging here that IMO the edit makes the article a little worse rather than better. Andrewa (talk) 14:37, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
I stick by the description! I'm particularly impressed by the positioning and the mix of cymbals... the kid with too much money to spend would never use an Alpha and a Wuhan, they'd buy all Signatures and/or K Zildjians, but the pro whose bottom line is sound will do exactly that. The positioning is suitable for playing a four set gig not just a few flashy songs.
We used to have an article on this , but the content was merged here and somehow lost. New section added, it's still unsourced at present but is important information and easily verified. Andrewa (talk) 16:20, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Is there a standard kit
I confess to a certain level of frustration regarding the latest removal of the reference to the Trinity College drum site from the lead. I can't be bothered finding out who did it and why. Whoever it was, they chose not to discuss it.
Can I ask a few questions:
- Does anyone not agree that there is a standard, common, international teaching technique for basic drum kit, leading towards the general configuration shown at right?
- Does anyone not understand that this article will be read by people who know little if anything about kit drumming, and may not therefore know about this standard configuration? You may find this hard to believe, but when I built my first drum kit from tins and boxes I had no idea about this. Even when I brought my first store-bought kit home I got a few things wrong! I'm sure I'm not the only one.
- Does anyone not think that this standard configuration is encyclopedic, and should therefore be described in the article (as it is currently)?
- Does anyone think that this fact should be exempt from the normal Wikipedia policy on citations?
- Does anyone have a better reference that the Trinity site? (Then add it! Please!)
- Does anyone not regard the site as a reliable source?
If your personal answer to any of the negative questions above is that you affirm the negative (for example you do not agree there is a standard... etc) then please, please, let's discuss it.
I can't believe that anyone who has ever looked at the drumming configurations of a few of the big-name drummers would fail to see that there's something common to their setups. As described in the article lead and used by every drum teacher I've ever spoken to, every student I've ever had, every drum workshop I've attended, and almost every drum kit I've ever seen set up in a concert (including an awesome modern classical piece at an MA candidate's concert I attended years ago at the Sydney Conservatorium, which was for flute played by the candidate and three drum kits) or pub band or rock concert, or in a music shop or recording studio or church. I can think offhand of only two exceptions... Gye Bennetts has played in several of my bands over the years, and he sets his kit up left-handed, and Simon Phillips has his main ride on the left hand side sometimes ( see Tommy in Concert at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyAj1K9iKMU ). But even many left-handed drummers (such as myself) set up right-handed. It's too much hassle to be swapping the backline, so southpaws and their bands just don't get invited back. Sad maybe, but if you want work, you're best to play standard. (I give my students the choice. But I have always been grateful to my guitar teacher for allowing me the option of swapping to the right hand when I was about to buy my first decent guitar and before I owned a real drum kit, and the good advice he gave about how to tell whether it would work for me. And for me it does, obviously. But not for everyone.)
Anyway, point just being that there is a standard setup. Isn't there? And sure, it's a basis for a kit. I have very rarely seen a vanilla kit. I've never played one as far as I can remember. Maybe once or twice. Maybe.
I'll get around to putting the reference and any others I can find back sooner or later. Or would someone like to give me a hand and do it? It would improve the article!
And if you intend to remove it again, please discuss here. Do it if you must, just discuss it here as well.
That's all I'm asking. It is (obviously) controversial, and to continue to remove the ref without any discussion would IMO now cross the line into being vandalism. Sorry if that's blunt, but you've had plenty of chances to discuss this.
On reflection I've had a look. The edit in question  is from an IP with lots of other contributions, edit summary is spam message in text for musical college. I guess they either don't like Trinity or I'm more inclined to think that they're ignorant of its status in music tuition generally. Trinity has no need or reason to spam anyone.
In fairness, our own article on Trinity does not even mention their exams! These started in 1872, and last year Trinity tested about half a million students, worldwide. Yes, that's 500,000 examinations per year. I'll put it on my todo list to fix that article.
- And they've been international for a long time too, starting in Australia in the late 1800s.  Andrewa (talk) 12:11, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Looking for some better links... http://www.musicteachers.com.au/examinat.htm lists some of the examining bodies in Australia (including of course Trinity). Not all of these do kit drums but several do. Their various syllabuses and teaching materials will describe the basic drum kit configuration. But I'd like to avoid buying any of these just for the reference, and my local music shop won't likely have them, they'd be a special order. Hmmm... Andrewa (talk) 06:56, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- Ongoing... but meantime I've again restored the link , this time in a slightly less spammy-looking way perhaps (can argue that both ways). And placed a comment there too. Hopefully next time it's removed we'll at least have some discussion here after the fact. Andrewa (talk) 17:00, 7 May 2013 (UTC)