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This section mentions French, German, and American grips for timpanies. Not only is this lacking a source, but I question its validity. From what I know, Timpani players use the "French" grip. The French, German, and American grip things come from actual drumset playing, and to the extent of my limited knowledge, are not all used in Timpany playing. These are also not even correct descriptions. French is thumbs up, German is thumbs to the side, American is in between. None are more "agressive" than the others. Would someone like to look into these things? I think I am right, but I am not sure. I also do not have sources. --Cabazon 01:53, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
No they don't. French and German Grips are hundreds of years old. They had to do with Tympani Grips, and which was better for rolling since all of the "rolls" are actually sticked - there is no "bouncing" of the Tympani Mallets - so there was always debate about which was better. I tend to use a German Grip on the kit, but if I'm really laying into something, I've been known to roll my hand over so that the Thumb is on top - much like you would hold a hammer with the Thumb behind it to help add to the force of the strike. It all depends upon what you find comfortable and what works for you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 08:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible to call the heel-toe method with double bass drum a roll too? I don't know if I can add it so would someone answer this before I put a lot of effort in a paragraph and itis being deleted. --Sikory
I'd say it could be if you're doing it quickly and steadily. A single heel-toe (two notes) is not a roll, but alternating feet heel-toes a la Thomas Lang certainly is. --Evan¤Seeds 20:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Comment: I'm not too sure if this is a great idea. I noticed the two articles have been merged into Rudiment. This should be sufficient enough. The article is too long to merge and now seems to stand alone just fine. -- TIM KLOSKE|TALK 14:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Both "Single-stroke roll" and "Double-stroke roll" now redirect to sections of Drum rudiment. Hyacinth (talk) 05:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)