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Made a few changes & have a few queries about some of whats left. I removed the description of the Royal School as a protestant school. It is a state school and is non denominational; also removed the assertion that 'protestant hoods' are responsible for most of the sectarian trouble. It might well be the case but that kind of assertion should be evidenced from a reliable source. Finally I removed the reference to the shop 'Cuba'. If they want an ad they should pay for one in the courier. Following on from that I'm not entirely sure what relevance the entire last paragraph has. I'm also not sure of the historical accuracy of Dungannon being the capital of Ireland and it's probably news to most Dubliners. Whilst it was certainly a powerbase of the O'Neills I was unaware that they ruled the whole island of Ireland and did it from Dungannon. Maybe this could be evidenced as well?

1. As above, enrolement to RSD is NOT based on the religion of the pupil so to describe it as a protestant school is utterly misleading. 2. This is an encyclopedia not a travelogue. You're not meant to be reviewing the town you're meant to explain it's history, location etc. 3. If claims are being made regarding the levels of sectarian violence they should really be backed up with evidence.

Dungannon was never capital of ireland. It was only ever capital of Ulster

I have also made a change someone swapped the religious statistics although Dungannon is a predominately Catholic town

Re: History - I changed the bit about Dungannon being capitol of Ireland, whether this was the case at any point, it deffinetly wasn't so in the 1600s. The 'king' of Ireland at this point was Queen Elizabeth I and later King James I, although the O'Neills exercised control across most of Ulster except Donegal, they were never kings of anything: they were either earls, lords or 'the O'Neill' and I don't remember reading any where that they were ever referred to as kings, not at least since Henry VIII proclaimed the kingdom of ireland. The main refernce I put in for the expanded history is from the Belfast Telegraph, but will try to replace this with original sources as soon as I can - donegal92

Rathgannon?[edit]

I see the 'Scots name' of Rathgannon has been added. Never heard of it, despite living in Dungannon for 30 years. It's not an Ulster-Scots area, surely?

Thoughts, anyone? Trenwith (talk) 19:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I was a bit surprised too, coming from near the area, but apparently it is what the council calls itself in Ulster-Scots [1]. Quite a trend for 'tri-lingual' councils now! EJF (talk) 12:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Now that's plain weird! In Ballymoney, I could understand it. I could even figure out the argument for Irish in the literature, after all it was widely spoken in the area once. But Ulster Scots? Surely the O'Neills got a kicking and the English arrived, no Ulster-Scots involved? I'd love to know their justification! I'm not anti-Irish or anti-Ulster-Scots - just pro-plain-communication! Trenwith (talk) 19:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Demographics[edit]

Per this edit, [2] I perhaps should have explained that the material I removed was not on the NINIS website but that the other material was. On the Dungannon page for the NINIS page for Dungannon it states:

  1. 8.8% were born outside Northern Ireland; and
  2. 1.1% were from an ethnic group other than white.

This was in 2001 before most foreign workers came to Dungannon (sadly I have no sources thats my own original research) , and I would expect that most of those 8.8 percent came from ROI or GB. The '1/8' figure did not come from the census. I did however find a source for a figure of around 1200 in 2004 so I have now added this instead. EJF (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

The 1/8 figure was derived from a Tyrone Courier report (given as an approximate percentage), based on some official survey. I had thought it was the census but your figures suggest this is too early - it was possibly the Electoral Role. The figures you have given do indicate a 1/8 ratio though, assuming the 1200 Portugese are in addition with no natives moving out of the town. Trenwith (talk) 18:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Townlands original research[edit]

The tag i inputted into the townlands section about original research is to do not with the Irish origins of the townlands or the names of places. Heck if i disputed that i wouldn't spend half my time adding sources and derive tags to Northern Ireland places. Its about the unsourced claims of what townlands constitute Dungannon.

However the introduction is bogus. Not all townlands are derived from Irish. The townlands of Whitehead, Randalstown, White Abbey, White House, Gracehill, Hightown etc. etc. etc. are all English and as the names and boundaries of Irelands townlands was drawn-up and defined by the English administration around the Plantation time. The townlands of today were created by the English, they were only based on (and mostly named after) native land divisions which weren't all the same (i.e. bailes, tates or ploughlands). A link to the townlands article would be more than suffice that the controversial introduction added in without sources to back it up. Mabuska (talk) 21:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)