Talk:Dutch East India Company in Indonesia

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Redundant article?[edit]

How does this differ from Dutch East India Company? --Merbabu (talk) 01:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Update: page moved[edit]

OK, perhaps this new article could answer a few issues brought up maybe a year ago at the Dutch East India Company. Ie, that that article was too focused on the company and not so much Indonesia. Thus, this new page can focus on the VOC in Indonesia and Indonesia during the VOC era. --Merbabu (talk) 01:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

PS, I've even updated the Indonesian History template to direct to this article, rather than to the VOC page. --Merbabu (talk) 01:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Template[edit]

Why should the colony template be removed? I don't see much of, if any, difference with this one. [1]Red4tribe (talk) 02:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't a colony. Info boxes remove any provision for complexity and nuance. They demand all info just fits into one simplistic one-size-fits all prism. Just one example: your user box said the VOC ruled Indonesia from 1603, whereas the reality was they had a precarious settlement on one of 17,000 islands. We've been through this sort of stuff over and over. have you learnt nothing from your block?--Merbabu (talk) 02:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I am quite sure that the British East India Company did not rule all of what today makes up Pakistan, India and Bangladesh, in 1757. Yet, that is listed as a colony.The infobox gives can give a much easier look for people who are just passing through for information, instead of digging through loads of text. Red4tribe (talk) 02:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
So, we can give the wrong info to people who just want quick info? No way.
For the Dutch East Indies, I am now trying to include 1942, 1945 and the 1949 events in this box, but it doesn't work so far. If I can't get it to work, then I will remove it completely. --Merbabu (talk) 02:36, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
(ec)Further, it's clear you know very little about the topic. Look at the languages for example. Indonesian didn't come into use until 1928, how much was Dutch used(? - your old question issue from way back), and you make no mention of Malay. If you use Javanese, why not add all the other indigenous languages. Two issues come out of this (a) the info boxes are a very poor and misleading tool in this case and (b) you still continue to add what you want and then struggle to back it up. --Merbabu (talk) 02:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Wrong info? The VOC was in Indonesia from 1603-1800. How is that wrong? Red4tribe (talk) 02:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Your info box implies that the VOC ruled indonesia from 1603 to 1800, and the main language was Dutch. Followed by Javanese and Indonesian - how is that correct? It's ridiculously wrong. --Merbabu (talk) 02:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I went alphabetical, because I am not sure which was the most spoken(I'd guess Javanese). This is not the Dutch East Indies talk page. Nowhere on this page, does it say that the VOC controlled all of modern-day Indonesia. If this concerns you so much, put the map that is on the Dutch Empire page, on here. Red4tribe (talk) 02:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Your infobox Let me put it another way: with the VOC and Dutch East Indies, the dates, languages, and terminology you are just trying to fit snippets of info into a box that doesn't fit. You're trying to put an elephant into a baby's suit, and you are now wondering why it people are telling you it is ridiculous. It's a worse case at Dutch East Indies which I am trying to fix. --Merbabu (talk) 02:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
You need to stop "guessing". This is why you ran into so much trouble before your block. Do some proper research - don't add whatever you want and then cause drama while you try to justify it.--Merbabu (talk) 03:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
What guessing? I didn't guess the first Dutch establishment in Indonesia was in 1603. I didn't guess that the company was dissolved in 1800. I didn't guess That Indonesian, Javanese and Dutch were spoken in Indonesia. Where have I guessed? Red4tribe (talk) 03:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Read your posts above "I'd guess Javanes". The point is, you need to start basing your work on research and accuracy. Look at your map on Dutch East India Company - I've just removed it as it is so inaccurate. --Merbabu (talk) 03:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
If I had to guess, I would say Javanese, but I never added it into the infobox because I was unsure. Red4tribe (talk) 03:17, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
[2] --Merbabu (talk) 03:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Would you like me to put Javanese first because I think it was probably most spoken? If I did, I have a feeling you would complain about that. Red4tribe (talk) 03:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Don't put anything in that is unreferenced, a "guess", or misleading. It's not that hard. Please stop wasting the time of editors who have to clean up after you. --Merbabu (talk) 03:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
You claim I am guessing, which I did not. Yes on the talk page I said if I had to guess I would pick Javanese. It was(and is) the most populated area in Indonesia, thus chances are, it would be the most spoke language. But since I was unsure, I did not put it as #1. What exactly do you want from me here? I haven't done anything, I added an infobox(which is on a similar page), you remove it, and claim what I do is inaccurate, when it is not. What here is inaccurate? What information have I put down that is not true? Red4tribe (talk) 03:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't know how many more times I can say it so, i will just remove it if you reinstate inaccurate information. I cannot understand how you think that Javanese, Dutch and Indonesian were the main language of the "colony" of Dutch East India Company. It's complete rubbish. --Merbabu (talk) 03:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
It does not appear you are going to understand anything. You continue to ignore every question I ask you. You do not own these pages. This is The Free Encylopedia. It is not up to one person to make the judgement on what deserves to be pn a page, and what does not. Red4tribe (talk) 03:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Please refer to my previous posts. --Merbabu (talk) 03:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)