Talk:Early Middle Japanese

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Adjectives[edit]

If, like Vovin, you assume adjectives with stems ending in -si and haplology (si.si > -si.) in the conclusive, there is only one type of regular conjugation:

Adjective root Irrealis
未然形
Adverbial
連用形
Conclusive
終止形
Attributive
連体形
Realis
已然形
Imperative
命令形
taka-   -ku -si -ki -kere  
-kara -kari -si -karu   -kare
kanasi-   -ku - -ki -kere  
-kara -kari - -karu   -kare

So much simpler, but try selling it to the "traditionalists"! --RJCraig 19:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is simpler. And I generally agree with it. Another analysis is to remove the conclusive -si and handle it separately. Then the -k- becomes part of the stem. However, I tried to describe the morphological reality rather as generally accepted rather than theory. Bendono 03:35, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I haven't seen the analysis carried that far before. That would essentially mean that the stem of every adjective ended in -k...a slightly unusual situation, all in all. (Stem allomorphy or some rather ad hoc phonological "phinagling" to derive the conclusive?) As far as general acceptance...vox populi.... --RJCraig 05:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Chronology[edit]

The language of the Heian period is most often called (Vovin, Frellesvig, etc.) "Early Middle Japanese", as it is closer to Middle Japanese of the Kamakura and Muromachi periods than to Old Japanese. And since there is no real consensus about the details of the chronology, historical stages of the language should be refered to as "language of the ***th century" rather than "from year *** to year ***". Tomaaru 02:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

e and ye into e?[edit]

Not that e and ye into ye, and then to e? 202.120.36.179 05:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC) (Anonymous coward)

There were two separate phonemes: /e/ and /ye/. During this period they merged together into a single phoneme: /e/. At this time /e/ was pronounced [ye]. Bendono 06:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I added a few references. Bendono 12:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Using Hiragana and Katakana?[edit]

I'm no expert on Chuko, but they used Hiragana, Katakana and Han characters? I always thought that Hiragana and Katakana were created when Modern Japanese was in use...Moocowsrule (talk) 08:16, 24 August 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule I'm smart. I looked on the Hiragana and Katakana pages. Sorry.Moocowsrule (talk) 08:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule

上一段 and 下一段[edit]

How come the 'Lower Monograde' conjugations are listed with the 'e' all the time, while Upper Monograde is (correctly) listed without the 'i'? To me it seems that regarding Japanese grammar in general there is a lot of confusion regarding the difference between grammatical inflection (-> change) on the one hand, and okurigana on the other (albeit partial okurigana, so as to avoid having to regard 超える and 食べる as being different). - 62.234.162.163 (talk) 10:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Name change[edit]

As indicated above, and per Martin (1987:77), Miyake (2003:67), and Frellesvig (1995:11), this page should be moved Early Middle Japanese. The details remain the same; the name changes only. Bendono (talk) 07:07, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

/je/ after consonants?[edit]

The wiki page lists /je/ as the reconstruction for <e>. I would assume this means え=/je/, not that all instances of the vowel e were realised as /je/ - surely べ was not pronounced /bje/! (The same would hold true for /wo/.) Am I correct in this assumption? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjiveru (talkcontribs) 01:15, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Missing b?[edit]

I noticed that b is missing from the table of consonants. Was there really no b or is it just a mistake? CodeCat (talk) 17:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)