Talk:Early centers of Christianity

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Orphaned references in Early centers of Christianity[edit]

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Demographic map at lead[edit]

The leading map in this article is in error, showing the entire region of Britain that was conquered under Emperor Claudius beginning around AD 45 as non-Christian in 300. It was not. The venerable Bede in the Ecclesiastical History records not only the Claudian conquest, but the later request of the British king Lucius to Pope Eleutherus that he be made a Christian (ch 4), the persecution of Christians and destruction of churches in Britain under Emperor Diocletian (ch 6), and the martyrdom of St. Alban in the early 4th century (ch 7).

Yes, it is true that after Rome's withdrawal from Britain in 410, the Saxons conquered Britain, bringing to it their own form of paganism (not restoring the prior British paganism from before Rome). St. Augustine was sent to Britain by Pope Gregory I to re-Christianize Britain. Even after that, the site of St Alban's death was overrun by ninth-century Danes (pagans, but not Saxon), and had to be restored to Christianity again.

The point here is that the early history of Christianity in Britain does not begin with Augustine, despite the disruptions of the fifth and sixth centuries. In addition, later attacks and conquests, while not complete throughout the island, continued after Augustine. These were not Saxon, but Danish and Norse (Viking). Remember that King Harold was defeated by William the Conqueror in 1066 only after Harold had repelled a Norse invasion in Northumbria just days before. Until then, Christianity had always hung in the balance and suffered disruptions. Monasteries near Bede's on the North Sea coast were pillaged by invasion numerous times. I do not argue for diminishment of the significance or accomplishments deriving from Augustine's mission, but he was pre-dated and also post-dated in the repeated conversions that British history required. The only reason for any Christian instability was the underlying political/military instability of the region over centuries of time, from Rome's departure until William in 1066. The map should show all of Britain as having a significant Christian presence by AD 150, if not before. King Lucius' request to a Roman Pope did not come out of thin air, and the Romans had been there for about a century at that time, making the place politically stable. And the Romans were still there nearly a century after the Edict of Milan also. Evensteven (talk) 20:35, 24 May 2014 (UTC)