Talk:Early modern Europe

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Beards[edit]

"A good rule of thumb is that the Early Modern period begins in any particular European country with its first ruler to grow a beard (the Middle Ages being a characteristically clean-shaven period). Thus, the Early Modern period in Spain begins with Ferdinand, in England with Henry VIII, in France with Francis I, in the Holy Roman Empire with Charles V." Amusing anonymous contribution. Does anyone feel this belongs in the article? --Wetman 10:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Beautiful, and true, but sadly unsourced. Looking at other European countries, we see Pope Julius II (r.1503-1513), Christian II of Denmark, James V of Scotland (r.1513-1542), Sigismund II of Poland (r.1548-1572, although several of his predecessors had moustaches), Louis II of Hungary (r.1516-1526)... on the other hand, in Portugal the first bearded monarch was Duarte (r.1433-1438), suggesting that the beard appeared first in Portugal and gradually spread east and north. But this is all silliness. john k 21:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Definition[edit]

The definition seems a bit odd to me. Traditionally, I've usually seen the period defined as the period between the discovery of America/Charles VIII's invasion of Italy (1492/4) to the French Revolution (1789), at least in terms of political history. Defining it with the Industrial Revolution seems odd and imprecise, as does starting it with the Reformation (although I've certainly seen that done). john k 21:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Flanders[edit]

Any objections to adding Flanders (or Low Countries ... )alongside the Italian republics as a location for the rise of early capitalism. I don't have a source immediately to hand, but there is not one for Italy either. Itsmejudith 17:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Philosophy[edit]

The entry reads "Similarly philosophy is divided between Renaissance philosophy and the Enlightenment." This is plain nonsense. Seventeenth century philosophy is what in this stupid classification???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.42.19.189 (talk) 07:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Needs to be cleaned up and restructured[edit]

I just made a number of changes to this page, but its still sort of a mess in my opinion -- the quality of writing and accuracy is generally fine, but the structure makes very little sense, and there's not very much of substance beyond a discussion of periodization. In the next few days I plan on trying to add some more info on social, religious, political etc. changes that I've gleaned from a graduate seminar in the historiography of early modern europe I'm currently taking. Please make a note on the discussion page before reverting changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjaminbreen (talkcontribs) 21:29, 30 October 2008‎ (UTC)