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Requested move[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: move the page to Mother (video game series), per the discussion below. There is a clear consensus that "Mother XXX" or "Mother (XXX)" is a better title than "EarthBound (XXX)," but it is not clear that there is consensus for moving the page to Mother series as proposed here. For the time being, I have moved the page to the compromise title; I'd suggest initiating another move request if a move to "Mother series" or "Mother (series)" is still desired. Dekimasuよ! 21:12, 26 October 2014 (UTC)


EarthBound (series)Mother series – As alluded above, after rewriting the articles for each game of this series (no small task), I'm reporting back that the common name for the series, as used in the project's reliable sources, is "the Mother series" and not "the EarthBound series". I tried to mark each time I saw either usage (some examples below), but the best measure is a simple search of the project's custom Google search:

"mother series" -"how i met": 88k hits
"earthbound series": 7.6k

The former is used more often by an order of magnitude (and that's even considering the citogenesis of WP having used the latter for years, e.g., I found that IGN used "Mother series" most often, primarily before 2008). I'll also note that most Western Wikipedias also use the former, and that some sites use both in the same article ([1][2]). Otherwise, it's mostly Mother: [3][4][5][6]. There's no question that EarthBound is the most popular game of the series outside of Japan (the only series game officially released outside of Japan) and that its Western cult interest is much more about this game than its predecessor or sequel (and under the title EarthBound, not Mother 2). This said, the North American title is not used when referring to the series, where our reliable sources prefer "Mother series"—the series that refers to Mothers one through three. As for the parentheses, I don't think "series" is used as a qualifier but as part of the title (it's known as "Mother series" and not "Mother, the series"). More on this, though, at WT:VG. Anyway, I'd like to have this addressed before I start on the final jewel in the topic group. Thoughts? czar  01:56, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

The only other series is Mother (TV series), so the game series would very clearly be the primary topic for the phrase. As for the originator/descendent, I've gone through several pages of Google and Google Books and can't find a hit that uses the phrase that way. czar  04:07, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Google Books does not seem to show "Mother series" as being this videogame series, so the term "Mother series" is not a set term for the series of videogames. Being that the series name could be considered to be "Mother" instead of "Mother series", disambiguation would be parenthetical. Any parenthesized title would not be a primary topic, so should be disambiguous enough to not be ambiguous with another article. "Mother series" would be a descriptive title, and also describes the TV show, so should point to the disambiguation page, as it isn't a set term (ie. it is "Mother"+"series", not "Mother series"). -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:42, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
My stance is that the name of this topic is indeed "Mother series" and not "Mother (the series)". As discussed in the WT:VG link above, unlike television but like books, the series is often invoked with the descriptor "series" appended. As for Google Books (which is never used to make points about video games, a medium covered by magazines and websites), my example was to prove that your reference of "Mother series" as a phrase that means "parent series" is not common parlance. I've already elaborated on why the video game series is the primary topic over the television series, so much so that the video game series is incredibly more viewed than the television series (363 hits/day vs 25), so the extra disambiguation isn't necessary. czar  16:37, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose current title and proposal either EarthBound (videogame series) or Mother (videogame series). In ictu oculi (talk) 05:12, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Support Mother (series) - after Mother 3 came out, there has been no question that Mother is the commonly known name for the series, not EarthBound. (series) is the current standard delineator, so I'd rather see that than Mother series until you can get support at WT:VG to change our series pages in general to not use parenthesis. --PresN 02:42, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
    • there's another "Mother" series, the TV show, so "series" is ambiguous disambiguation, so needs to havve videogame or something also attached. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 02:51, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Support for "Mother (series)" or "Mother (video game series)"; "videogame" is non-standard on English Wikipedia. To be fair, there was going to be EarthBound 64, but the final Mother 3 was more recent and there'll soon be a (non-official) Mother 4; I rarely hear the series referred to as "EarthBound". Actually, which do the Super Smash Bros. games use? (It's kinda weird that I main Ness and don't know that...) Tezero (talk) 15:01, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
  • To clarify, I'm cool with Mother (series). I do think Mother series is the best target, but I think it's fine to first get project consensus for that new title style. (It was more important to rename EarthBoundMother than the other stuff.) This said, I still think I've shown that the video game series is the primary topic for Mother (series) (instead of using "video game series"). czar  16:37, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
    • That's a disambiguated title, which does not have a "primary topic" since that would only apply to the title "Mother", which this is not the primary topic of. WP:PRECISE states titles should not be ambiguous with other topics, which this would be, there being a TV series with an article, thus another series. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:09, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
By the same guideline, "it is more concise, and precise enough to be understood by most people", as in this topic is what most people would expect to find at "Mother (series)". Can't say any more here without repeating myself czar  04:17, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Legacy section[edit]

Have some stuff that doesn't quite fit in the current structure—mostly weak coverage that could eventually accrete into something worth its own paragraph. I'll leave it here for now <ref name="nlife: Princess">{{cite web |url=http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/02/princess_in_another_castle_launches_first_trailer_and_indiegogo_campaign |accessdate=November 16, 2014 |title=Princess in Another Castle Launches First Trailer and Indiegogo Campaign |last1=Whitehead |first1=Thomas |date=February 26, 2014 |work=Nintendo Life |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/6U8Akxrsw |archivedate=November 16, 2014 |deadurl=no }}</ref> czar  16:02, 16 November 2014 (UTC)