Talk:East Jutland metropolitan area
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I live in the area and when I stumbled across this article it made my toes cringe just a little bit. Including an article on the East Jutland metropolitan area is definitely justified since it is a somewhat official term which also pops up in Danish media from time to time. If predictions are correct, the area will grow in population in the future and become more and more urbanized. That being said, the article reads like a mix between a tourist brochure and corporate advertising, especially the section on economy. The list of sports teams seems to have too much weight. So cut out the babbling, cut out the megalomania, and stick to facts. A short section explaining the origin and historical usage of the term would also add value. Last but not least, don't abuse the English language. By skimming the text I find simple spelling mistakes such as "4.000 new inhabitant" (missing plural), "However, in recent years has been out-paced by the Copenhagen metropolitan area" (bordering upon nonsense), "the metropolitan area is home to many large companies, among are Vestas Wind Systems A/S a Danish manufacturer, seller, installer, and servicer of wind turbines. It is the largest in the world, and Arla Foods a Swedish-Danish cooperative based in Aarhus, Denmark, and the largest producer of dairy products in Scandinavia" (missing capital at start of sentence; and the punctuation is puzzling). In general the text is clearly written by native Danish speakers with limited knowledge of English. The lack of self insight adds to the megalomanic feel of the article. Substandard for Wikipedia. Definitely needs cleanup, both the contents and the prose. /Martin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 09:03, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Er der ikke nogen der kan ligge et billede af de 17 kommuner på siden markeret med rødt ligesom kommunerne er markeret, det vil give en bedre forståelse af hvad det er for et område der er tale om.
to Luwilt, you can not make a reference to england, england i one of the most densely populated areas in the world, denmark is not, The east jutland metropolitan area is very densely populated in danish terms in comparison to other danish areas as North jutland or vest jutland. It is the danish state there has declered that east jutland is not one single city but one big city area, and this area is whitout any doubt the most growing in population, in making new jobs, and so on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 17:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
"East Jutland metropolitan area (Byregion Østjylland), The Danish state has declared that Denmark now has 2 city areas with more than 1 million inhabitants, that is the official status according to environment minister Troels Lund Poulsen (). Now the first meetings between the cities and the Danish state has begun to find a broad corporation and a common identity. Now the area has to decide how it can grow to one metropolis to rival the Copenhagen area. Some cities has not yet grown together and they probably never will because the Danish state will protect the green areas so it not will grow into a new Danish "Los Angeles"." Horrible, horrible, amateurish use of the English language... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 00:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually, this entire article is marred by poor grammar, to say the least. This suggests that one single individual has authored the entire article, and very few, if any, have bothered to amend it. The language flow could also be improved. Spelling is ok, but generally, this article is of very poor quality, and clearly sub-standard for an encyclopedia. The reference to "Los Angeles" is just plain silly, and makes little sense. The tone and spin of the article is almost megalomanian. Regards, Erik, Norway —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 00:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Can someone provide a neutral, reliable source for the article? Some of these cities has 30-40 kilometers of rural areas in between them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 20:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Here, the danish Environment Minister says in danish that Denmark now has 2 city areas whit more than one million inhabitants http://www.tv2regionerne.dk/reg2005/player.aspx?id=405290&r=7.
What are you talking about? Some of these cities has 30-40 kilometers of rural areas in between them??. thats not true, look at google earth, besides its the danish state ho has declered that the area is one big city area, not one single city. A metropolitan area is not one urban city but a area where the cities in the area is in corporation for common ground. once again Its the danish state that declered that the area is one big city area. reed in Danish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 22:44, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Why we discuss this, all which can read and understand Danish can see that it is not 1 person invention that suddently there must be a million city inhabitants in eastjutland. it is the State which has pointed out that the area is a city area from haderslev in the south to randers in the north. the State has designated the 17 municipalities as part of the eastjutland million city, how difficult it is to understand?. The eastjutland metropolitan area are already in reality today and since the area is the fastest growing in denmark, the government pointed to the area on 10-20 years will have grown together if not to preserve some green areas between the cities.
Megalomania on it's high! Nothing surprising for DK goverment. Some of these 17 municipal centres are barely towns. So, calling them cities is nonsence as most of them are nothing else than villages. Only 3 or 4 of these settlements could be qualified as cities, and no more than 2/3 of population in this belt is living in what can be defined as urban settlements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 13:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
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The name "metropolitan area" or millionby (million city) is almost nonsensical for this area. Yes, it is more densely populated than Northern, Western and Southern Jutland, but not terribly more densely than areas on Zealand. Some of the municipalities included are very rural and sparsely populated, such as Billund, Vejen, Norddjurs, Syddjurs, and major parts of the remaining municipalities as well. However, various areas of Denmark have a long history of competing with each other in megalomania. It is true that the state addressed the issue, however they did not designate the area along the E45 to be a future big, long city corridor, but they rather started talks with the municipalities in order to prevent this, i.e. they advised the municipalites to keep green/rural zones between towns and not let the built-up areas grow together. So the article is not only sensational, but also a little misleading. The fact that the concept has been named on a conference at Aalborg University and in an official government report, however, does justify that the article exists. --Sasper (talk) 03:44, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the above comment, a lot of the contents seem to be there to justify that it "really really is" a real metropolitan region. It's biased. --PW — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 07:19, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
The article seems more like an ad made for promoting the so called metropolitan area than an fact based article fitting for an encyclopedia.
More Facts Please
One can always argue about words. I don't think you can just take any sparsely populated area with more than one million inhabitants and then call it a "world city" - otherwise it would be totally meaningless to use the term (ever heard of a city called "Netherlands" or "Mongolia"?). As the current liberal-conservative Danish government introduced the term it has its place in Wikipedia anyhow; and if it is just to document this case of newspeak. If that isn't the only purpose of this article then some more facts would be welcome. So anybody who likes the notion of calling this mostly rural area a city: Why don't you add some more facts about your favorite "city" (besides totally unknown football or handball(!) teams). Thanks. Vicki Reitta (talk) 13:45, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Fastest Growing city area
Why does people not understand thats such municipalities as Billund, Vejen, Norddjurs, Syddjurs is the outskirts of the metropolitan area and does not and do not provide the major terms of population to the region, the major populations are of course Aarhus-Vejle-Randers-Horsens-Silkeborg-Kolding, it seems that people does not understand that a metropolitan area is not the same as a urban area which is one build up area, a metropolitan area is a area whit the same goals and connected by commuting and settlement across Municipal bounderies, which the East Jutland metropolitan can easily meet. mayby its becourse danish people is so provinsiel and people in Copenhagen is not ready to the see tha fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Not a coherent urban area
- It is absolutely not right, using the term urban area for this area, is true crowd manipulation!! -Patchfinder (talk) 01:16, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
Calling East Jutland a "metropolitan area" is plain ridiculous, to say the least. Including a large number of small communities separated by thousands of square kilometers of farmland in order to artificially push Aarhus over the one million mark is Danish megalomania manifested. Heck, maybe Sweden should include all of the province of Scania/Skåne in the Malmö Metropolitan Area and/or triple the land area of the Gothenburg Metropolitan Area? Doing so would create two metropolitan areas of roughly the same geographical size as East Jutland but with a larger population than East Jutland, the majority of the population of both of those enlarged areas would also, unlike the population of the "East Jutland Metropolitan Area", be truly urban. Allan Akbar (talk) 13:33, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
- All of Scania is "truly" urban ... ??? I'm sorry to say so, but Scania is pretty rural (like most of Sweden) ... And it's hard to argue that Malmo and Aarhus are pretty comparable in size. Nmc273 (talk) 13:39, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- I didn't claim that "all of Scania is truly urban". Try reading it again. What I wrote was that the majority of the population of Scania is urban, which is true. With the urban areas concentrated along Öresund and the southern coast of Scania, and most of the rest of Scania being rural. Allan Akbar (talk) 14:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- I could add that if the communities of Landskrona and Helsingborg were to be included in the official statistical entity "Greater Malmö" (Stormalmö), you would get a metropolitan area along the eastern coast of Öresund with a population of about 835,000 and an area of just under 3,000 km2 (which is far less than one third of the area of the "Eastern Jutland Metropolitan Area"). In other words two-thirds of the population of Scania live in an area that is only one-quarter of the total area of Scania. And adding those two communities to "Greater Malmö" could be easily justified since the distance between Malmö and Helsingborg is only about 60 km, they're connected to Malmö by both commuter trains and a motorway, and a lot of people in Landskrona and Helsingborg regularly commute to Malmö/Lund. Allan Akbar (talk) 16:31, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Proposal for deletion
I've been trying to find reliable official information about the "East Jutland Metropolitan Area", something that would prove that such a metropolitan area exists, but with no luck. All I could find was a number of fuzzy "visions" from various politicians and political bodies, "future projections" and so on, all of it from a few years back, but no hard evidence. Not even Danmarks Statistik, who keep track of the population of Denmark and so on, had any information about it. Instead they list East Jutland as merely one of several subdivisions of Jutland, with a considerable lower population than 1.2 million. So since the "East Jutland Metropolitan Area" seems to be fiction and not fact I suggest we simply delete this page. Allan Akbar (talk) 19:06, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
- I support deletion. I am a Dane living in Denmark, and I have never heard of this outside of Wikipedia. If this can in any way be said to exist, it is not notable.
- I also support the deletion of this article. The terms Aarhus metropolitan area (Aarhus-området (http://www.midttrafik.dk/letbane/forside+-+letbane)) and The Triangle Region (Trekantsområdet (Vejle-Kolding-Fredericia area) (http://www.trekantomraadet.dk/)) should be used instead on Wikipedia as they are real now. The "East Jutland metropolitan area" currently only describes population growth tendencies and political visions in Eastern Jutland - not an existing metropolitan area. Nmc273 (talk) 11:12, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
No and no to deletion! what are you people talking about? you havent heard of this metro area? and you are living in Denmark? what rock have you lived under? the Danish name is Det østjyske bybånd
http://www.aarhus.dk/da/omkommunen/nyheder/2012/2-kvartal/Randers-gaar-med-i-Business-Region-Aarhus.aspx http://hsfo.dk/horsens/hf116361/oestjyske-borgmestre-vil-have-seks-spor-paa-motorvejen http://samsoe-strategi.cowi.webhouse.dk/dk/planstrategi/samsoe_2012_-_status_og_tendenser/
and its a highly recognized coherent area today, its not a vision, its a reality today, there are large forces in east jutland with corporation, its a fact. NO DELETION. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 01:06, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
- I am a Dane living in Denmark. This is the first time I hear about Det østjyske bybånd. --Klausok (talk) 06:42, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
- Of these three sources, two are respectively the site of a municipality in the area and a local paper in the area. The third is the site of the municipality of Samsø. This is what it says: "Øen ligger tæt på det østjyske bybånd, som er en dansk vækstzone , der strækker sig fra Kolding til Randers." "The island is close to the east Jutland town strip, which is a Danish growth zone, which stretches from Kolding to Randers." So even a neighbouring municipality does not expect readers to know what the east Jutland town strip is (and does not treat it as a proper name).--Klausok (talk) 08:21, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not a Dane and I don't live in Denmark but I still have an opinion. There's a very big difference between being a "growth zone" or a "bybånd" and being a metropolitan area. If the article had a different name I wouldn't object to it, but claiming that a rural area covering almost 10,000 square kilometers, with a distance of more than 120 km from end to end, is a metropolitan area is plain ridiculous and shows that the person who wrote it, and the people who defend it, have never lived in (and probably never even visited) a real metropolitan area. Allan Akbar (talk) 09:41, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
you are way off, a metropolitan area is not one coherent urban area, but a area linked by infrastucture and so on, its recognized by the Danish State and all the municipalities.
Viborg municipality are trying to trying to convince the Ministry of Environment that the municipality must be included to the area http://viborg.dk/db/dagsord.nsf/910db9cbe9327ab7c1256c540022f8e2/29802d5fef41456ec12577b5003700c0/$FILE/OK-061010-357-02.pdf
the Danish Department of Transportation will specifically examined the possibility of a real train system with 15 minute interval in det Østjyske Bybånd http://www.trm.dk/~/media/Files/Publication/2011/Strategiske%20analyser/Sammenfatning%20%20Screening%20af%20linjef%C3%B8ringer%20for%20timemodellen%20og%20banebetjening%20af%20%C3%98stjylland.ashx
- Don't be ridiculous, "personal feelings against the Danish state". No I have no personal feelings against Aarhus, the Danish state or anyone else. But the "East Jutland Metropolitan Area" simply does not exist. It's a "political vision", and a dream in the mind of some of the people who live there, nothing else. It does not fit any commonly used/accepted definition of a metropolitan area for the simple reason that it isn't one. If it was all of England would be a single metropolitan area, just to give you an example. Thomas.W (talk) 16:32, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
This is useless talk, to say that it does not exist! "It's a "political vision", and a dream in the mind of some of the people who live there" its a dream that some of you think it does not exist, your personal thoughts about it, is to no difference, it exist!
And some of you called it a "policical vision" first of all, it was way back in 06 that this area was first mentioned by the State, today its 2012 people, and back then it was a vision to further develop the area combined, as the report claims back in 08 - in Danish
Byregion Østjylland kan med rette bestegnes som et funktionelt sammenhængende byområde forbundet af både infrastruktur og arbejdsmarkeds- og pendlingsrelationer på tværs af de kommunale grænser (Landsplanredegørelse 2006; Bro og Harder 2007). Med 1.202.353 personer bosat i regionen, udgør den ca. 20% af Danmarks befolkning og er således det næststørste sammenhængende byområde efter hovedstadsregionen. http://www2.blst.dk/udgiv/Publikationer/2008/978-87-92256-58-4/html/kap05.htm#5.1
So this report from the State back in 08 tells us that it is not a vision, but already a fact, and the vision is to guide the area in the future.
Besides the corporation between the municipalities in the area are many today, seek the internet yourself. And to compare it to England is just plain silly, England is one of the most densely populated countries in the world! (130,395 km2 with a population of 52,000,000) as many other Western European countries is Belgium/Germany Netherlands, so to compare a Danish area to those are futile.
Fact - recognized by the Danish State,
- Since you have repeatedly claimed that East Jutland is officially recognized as a metropolitan area by "the Danish state" it's about time that you prove it. In Sweden all three metropolitan areas, Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö, are officially recognized as metropolitan areas under the names Storstockholm, Storgöteborg and Stormalmö, and the SCB (Statistiska Centralbyrån) publish population figures and other statistics for those three official entities, while in Denmark, AFAIK, similar statistics are only published for Copenhagen, and not for the mythical "East Jutland metropolitan area". Which seems to contradict your claims. Thomas.W (talk) 11:34, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
The statistics from Denmark don't mentionen Copenhagen Metropolitan either, it only mention Copenhagen urban area with 1,2 mio people, thats not the whole of Copenhagen metro area with 1,9 mio people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_metropolitan_area, then there are the Capital Region but that is just like Central Denmark Region http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Region_Midtjylland.
There are no info from Denmark statistics for Copenhagen metropolitan area with 1,9 mio people, so again you are way off.
And if you are blind, i can't help you! it is a wast of time talking with people with no common sense. NO Deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 14:24, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Danmarks Statistik publishes population figures and other statistics for the officially recognized regions of Denmark (including Region Hovedstaden, that is the Copenhagen area, with a population of 1,7 million). But there is no Region Østjylland (East Jutland), only Syddanmark and Midtjylland, with the towns claimed to be part of the "East Jutland Metropolitan Area" split between those two officially recognized regions. In other words there is no such thing as an officially recognized "East Jutland Metropolitan Area". And the Danish Wikipedia states that "public planners expect the area to become a metropolitan area" ("i offentlig planlægning forventes at udvikle sig til en metropolregion"). In other words, it is NOT a metropolitan area today but if things develop the way public planners hope it will, it will one day become a metropolitan area. Something that can of course be said about just about any region in any country in the world, and doesn't merit an article on Wikipedia. Thomas.W (talk) 16:23, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
You say Thomas.W
Danmarks Statistik publishes population figures and other statistics for the officially recognized regions of Denmark (including Region Hovedstaden, that is the Copenhagen area, with a population of 1,7 million). But there is no Region Østjylland (East Jutland),
you contradict yourself, because Region hovedstaden is not a metropolitan area, but just a area like Region Midtjylland or Region Nordjylland, its not a recognised metropolitan area from Denmarks statistics, its just a administrative region.
And to the point that some believe that the area is rural, I have only this to say, the East Jutland area are as just densely populated or more than these areas
Oklahoma City metropolitan area 1,322,459 people on 16,512 km² Density 80.1/km²
New Orleans metropolitan area 1,235,650 people on 9,726.6 km² Density 120/km²
Kansas City metropolitan area 2,035,335 people on 20,596 km² Density 100.4/km²
Nashville metropolitan area 1,617,142 people on 14,926 km² Density 108/km²
And here is East Jutland metropolitan area 1,246,252 people on 9,984 km² Density 124.82 km²
And if you only look at the core area in east Jutland(Aarhus/Randers/Favrskov/Silkeborg/Skanderborg/Odder/Horsens/Hedensted/Vejle/Fredericia/Kolding there are 1,005,077 people on 6,182 km² and a Density of 160/km², much higher than the national average.
So why is it some people has a hard time to recognize this area, could it be the very familiar Danish Jantelov? i dont know, but lets all take a chill, the fact is that there are so many sources mentioning this area, so it do very much exist, so therefore it cannot be deleted. HDMS Apple (talk) 17:35, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- Why this discussion? its obvious a reality in that area, where cooperation between municipalities are on a daily basis.
- I see no point in continuing a discussion with people who obviously don't even know what a metropolitan area is, and probably never even have been to one (Hint: a metropolitan area is made up of one or more adjacent municipalities situated around a major urban core, with the adjacent municipalities closely bound to the center by employment or other commerce; so how many of the people who live in the small towns that make up 75% of the population of the claimed East Jutland Metropolitan Area, and in most cases are at a considerable distance from Aarhus, work in Aarhus or regularly travel to Aarhus to do their shopping?). And claiming that Aarhus is comparable to "cities like Antwerp, Dresden, Glasgow, Marseille, Saint Petersburg and Turin", as has been done in the article (a claim that has since been removed a couple of times), is laughable. No-one who has ever visited both Aarhus and any of those cities would make such a comparison. Thomas.W (talk) 22:58, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
OK "det østjyske bybånd" does exist as a coopereation between a number of municipalities. But is it notable? So far the one mention in the media referenced has been from Horsens Folkeblad, a local paper from one of the smaller member municipalities. Does it have an official name in English? If not, maybe some term other than "metropolitan area" might be better. Isn't "corridor" a better transation of "bybånd" (lit. town ribon)?
Another point: could we tone down the language? Accusing people of living under a rock or of having no common sense just because they do not share your oppinion is not going to help reach a consensus. --Klausok (talk) 06:36, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Why do you continue to called it towns like its very small urban areas, i Danish terms its not small towns, Aarhus is by far the biggest city and Randers has more than 60.000 people in the Urban area, Horsens more than 50.000, so does Vejle and Kolding, and Silkeborg and Fredericia around 40.000, the area consist of 7 of the 16 largest cities in Denmark, nr 2 nr 6 nr 7 nr 8 nr 9 nr 14 and nr 16. http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danmarks_st%C3%B8rste_byer
And yes, we all know what a Metropolitan area is, see the links to the Metro areas above, East Jutland is as dense, or more than those areas, so what is the problem, not all Metro areas are a dense as London or Paris, so stop this nonsense, there are smaller metro areas like the ones in US above.
Why would anyone rename it to a Town belt, its more or less centralized around Aarhus, which clearly is a city, an by far the most important urban area in East Jutland, around half of the growth comes out from Aarhus, so no to Town belt, its a City belt if anything!
And to the point "So far the one mention in the media referenced has been from Horsens Folkeblad, a local paper from one of the smaller member municipalities" again Horsens is not a smaller municipality, there are 54.000 people in the urban area and 83.000 in the municipality, and only one mention in the media? Try to look it up in the internet, and you will find many articles from papers and news clips, all this is just people who clearly doesn't like the idea that things are changing, thats my guess, the area is in such a rapid development concerning new housing and growth in population, the last 4 years the crowth has been 34.000, that is more than 8.000 new residents in the area every year, so it is a booming area, compared to rest of Denmark (Copenhagen excluded) Please request1 (talk) 10:33, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- The article is much improved. I don't think the current version would prompt a comment like "Danish magalomania". As for "city" versus "town", I don't think that there is any clear rule on which to use when translating "by". The ones you mention are obviously cities, but the area contains many smaller towns, and I took the "by" in "bybånd" to refer also to them. --Klausok (talk) 06:30, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Possible sock puppetry
There are now three newly created users arguing for the "East Jutland Metropolitan Area", Please request1, Incaking below and HDMS Apple, all three of them writing in the exact same style as, making the exact same language errors as and active on the same pages as 184.108.40.206. Which makes me believe that we're seeing a case of sock puppetry. So I would like to remind whoever is doing this that using sock puppets in order to create an image of support, and/or influence a vote, could get him or her permanently blocked from editing. I haven't requested a sock puppet investigation but if this escalates further I will not hesitate to do so. Thomas.W (talk) 11:33, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- I have now for some time been watching this discussion, which should never take place, and now it must stop! East Jutland Metropolitan Area is in every way to be considered a functional coherent area, which is supported by the many links and websites to official sources. Attempts to troll this website, with people's own opinions, will in future be met with a firm hand and reported. It is clear that Allan Akbar and Thomas W is the same person who just wants to troll this site and this will not be accepted! From now on I will keep a close eye on this page and will be aware of changes which can be interpreted as trolling.Wiki watchdog (talk) 15:57, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thomas.W and Allan Akbar are one and the same, and share the same user pages (it is in other words a renamed user). BTW, a user name such as "Wiki watchdog" is most probably a violation of the Wikipedia user name policy since it is an obvious attempt to mislead others into believing that you are in a position of authority on Wikipedia, which you're not (or to quote from the rules: "the types of names which can be misleading are too numerous to list, but definitely include usernames that imply you are in a position of authority over Wikipedia"). Judging by the combination of English words and Danish grammar it might also be another sock puppet. Thomas.W (talk) 16:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Wiki watchdog is in no way a misleading name, which you should know, since you apparently are a regular user of this forum. But if it offends anyone, I can easily change it to a more appropriate name. Thomas W's allegations concerning sock puppets in this forum borders on trolling and will not be tolerated much longer. This discussion is now over. If you have something constructive to add regarding East Jutland Metropolien Area you are welcome, but trolling and personal views are not accepted in the article. Wiki watchdog (talk) 18:23, 2 July 2012 (UTC).
- "This discussion is now over". I hope it was intended as a joke because you have no authority here, so it doesn't matter what you accept or don't accept. As for the suspected sock puppetry the best solution would be to report it and see what happens. There is BTW a message to you on on your talk page, a message that I suggest you answer. Thomas.W (talk) 19:21, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- As a result of a sock puppet investigation 220.127.116.11, Please request1, Incaking below, HDMS Apple and three other aliases of the same person have been blocked indefinitely for abusing multiple accounts (that is sock puppetry), which, since their contributions were all written by a single person, means that only one user has defended the "East Jutland Metropolitan Area". Thomas.W (talk) 14:01, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
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