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fluid retention should redirect to this page, shouldn't it? water retention already does.
Singkong2005 06:44, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
ERROR IN TEXT: a form of oedema that develops when the lymph vessels are obstructed, or myxedema, which occurs in Grave's disease. MYXEDEMA IS CAUSED BY HYPOTHYROIDISM, NOT GRAVE'S DISEASE.
SORRY, I DON"T KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY POST A MESSAGE HERE
Grades of oedema
is this correct grade 1 - oedema below ankles grade 2 - oedema below knees grade 3 - oedema of thighs grade 4 - generalised oedema
- never heard of this grading system before, which isn't to say it doesn't exist. Its not very accurate though. Grading systems are usually used to imply severity of a process as well as indicating the progress. Generalised oedema is unlikely to occur from oedema of the thighs but rather have arisen from an entirely different pathological process. I'll clear all this up when I fix these pages. Wrongfooting 10:08, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- I have heard a few physicians describe this system, but Bate's Guide to Physical Examination (9th Edition) states it's based on (apparently subjective?) severity with 1+ being mild to 4+ being severe. In practice, I've never seen leg edema without ankle edema, nor have I seen someone write 3+ or 4+ edema in a progress note. This is probably a regional difference. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 02:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
What about mentioning hypothyroididsm as a cause of nonpitting oedema? The nonpitting oedema arises as thyroid hormone inhibits sythesis of mucopolysaccarides. In hypothyroidism that process is not inhibited and the excess polysaccarides allow excess fluid to also accumulate. It is one of the most common signs of hypothyroidism.
Merge from Swelling (medical)
I have suggested that the article Swelling (medical) be merged into this article. It is a stub, and the meanings are identical. Anyone mind me doing this? Thanks, delldot | talk 16:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- The swelling article is a horrible hodgepodge stub, but I'm not sure if the meanings are identical. JFW | T@lk 17:09, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- In that case, I'm not qualified to merge them because I don't know enough about the differences. Anyway, do you think the meanings might be close enough to still merit a merge? I guess it's moot anyway unless someone else wants to volunteer for the job. Anyone? delldot | talk 05:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- no definitely not. As a stub the swelling article in and of itself is highly oversimplified, combining processes like oedema, which is the accumulation of fluid in the tissues outside of the arteries and veins, with liver and spleen enlargement (hepatomegaly and splenomegaly respectively) which can occur through processes as varied as cancer and heart failure. I will fix these pages up but its not going to happen overnight. In summary, these pages shouldn't be merged (making them smaller) but need to be expanded!! Wrongfooting 10:01, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- So... should the merge template be removed, then? Twilight Realm 04:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I think that to the average Joe, much like myself, it would be more helpful to have both swelling, sprain, and oedema as seperate articles, but cross-referenced together.
Could someone please add sections on causes, prognosis and cures?
I'm new here so if this is the wrong place to bring this up please let me know. Under causes of peripheral oedema - is not 1) medicine 2) salt also a cause?? I understand the salt but not sure how the medicines effect oedema. Also, from readings on the internet it appears that things like salt/potassium balance can cause oedema which could possibly be corrected by altering one or the other??
Thanks, suesara47Suesara47 22:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- See a doctor. FWIW, I dunno, but I heard that diphenhydramine is used for minor cases. linas (talk) 03:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
- The article definitely needs some details about what might cause this disease or condition, whether or not there are effective treatments, and if yes, how it's generally treated.
Article needs a picture
We could really use a picture for this article depicting the disease. If someone happens to have one that we can use it would be good to put up. Bradkoch2007 20:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Dropsy as a historic subject
This article is probably a pretty good treatment of oedema as a medical subject for some (intermediate?) level of medical education.
However, especially because dropsy as a disease has some historic significance, and is linked here from some historical articles, it would be nice if there were some discussion on that subject, along with a less medical explanation of what dropsy is. Presumably it was a cause of death to native American's sometime after Columbus?
From the sounds of things it is a mechanical bodily failure rather than the result of some sort of virus, so I doubt it became any more prevalent among Native Americans post-Columbus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 10:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
- I put it in the part concerning edema of the foot. There, a better caption is not hyperacute. Mikael Häggström (talk) 18:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
The article currently states:
- It is often not appreciated that the Starling equation does not indicate a balance between these forces. The hydrostatic force must always win, and there must always be leakage of fluid out of the vessel because otherwise there can be no oncotic gradient.
But this is nonsense: averaged over longer periods of time, there can be no net leakage (except to make up for fluid loss due to perspiration). Both forces win: the hydrostatic pressure causes the oncotic gradient to develop! Anyway, the above, as currently worded, sounds like some strange misunderstanding; I'll remove the text shortly. linas (talk) 03:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Under the "Organ Specific" section, I removed this phrase, including the link: " Lymphatic return of fluid is also dependent on a pumping action of structures known as lymph hearts." On the poorly-written page it references, it clearly states that there "In our body there are no lymph hearts and the return of lymph depends to a great extent on squeezing action of skeletal muscles like the ones in calves." That is about the ONLY thing clear on that page, in fact. I would almost recommend it for cleanup. Keyrlis (talk) 22:25, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
New theories as to how edema forms
184.108.40.206 (talk) 19:06, 26 February 2014 (UTC) I as following a redirect from this page on my smartphone and the page said new thinking said that inflammation is now questioned as to the cause and the idea that protein deposition is now being followed. I suspect protein misfolding. May we have more info here?