Talk:Edward Everett

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
          This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject United States / Massachusetts / Governors / Presidential elections (Rated GA-class, Low-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.
 GA  This article has been rated as GA-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Low  This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject Massachusetts (marked as Mid-importance).
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject U.S. governors (marked as Low-importance).
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject U.S. presidential elections (marked as Low-importance).
 
WikiProject Biography / Politics and Government (Rated GA-class)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.
 GA  This article has been rated as GA-Class on the project's quality scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by the politics and government work group.
 

Edward Everett Hale?[edit]

Was the orator (Gettysburg) Edward Everett a relation to Edward Everett Hale ("A Man Without a Country") and therefore, a relation to Edward Everett Horton, the actor (E.E.Hale's grandson)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.250.36.38 (talkcontribs) 19:53, Jan 2, 2005

[1] EE Hale was Everett's nephew. Kaisershatner 19:40, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Confusing wording[edit]

"In 1863 he delivered a two-hour Gettysburg Oration that has been eclipsed in history by President Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, which he praised as superior to his own." Who? Everett praised Lincoln's address, or Lincoln praised Everett's? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.134.247.212 (talkcontribs) 22:24, July 11, 2007

I fixed this, text later in the article makes it clear that Everett praised Lincoln's speech, not the other way around. Rickterp (talk) 17:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
He may have died Jan 1865, but in 1863, he sure had speech stamina! Full transcription of his Gettysburg address (including a lengthy footnote apparently added for this print version): http://www.nytimes.com/1863/11/20/news/address-delivered-gettysburgh-nineteenth-november-consecration-cemetery-prepared.html?scp=55&sq=bold%20robbery%20by%20river%20pirate&st=cse Enjoy on some sleepless night! B^) Wordreader (talk) 18:00, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Educationist Work[edit]

This section requires sourcing! And what is the source of the contention that Everett was the 1st American to receive a Ph.D.? Jperrylsu (talk) 21:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

ummm, not THAT famous...[edit]

In the Last Years section, the last paragraph:

". . .had a love for mathematics as can be seen from a famous quote: ‘In the pure mathematics. . ." [my emphasis]

I think this is a bit overstated. Perhaps the quote is a WOW! in the hallways of MIT, but I don't think it's generally "famous". I suggest something less strident, like: ". . .had a love for mathematics as can be seen from his quote: ‘In the pure mathematics. . ." OR "The quote, "In the pure mathematics. . .", demonstrates his love of mathematics." Something like that. Thanks for your consideration, Wordreader (talk) 18:26, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Birthplace[edit]

If the photo caption is correct and Everett was born in Dorchester, then he was not born in Boston. Dorchester wasn't annexed to Boston until after the Civil War. If so, the sentence should read "born in Dorchester MA, (now part of Boston)." MarkinBoston (talk) 17:01, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Election result irregularities[edit]

This article states that Everett lost the 1839 election "by a single vote", while the wikipedia article shows him loosing by 309 votes. Nathaniel Greene (talk) 22:15, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

If his opponent had gotten one less vote, the election would have been decided in the legislature (which would have elected him, given its party distribution). This is the "single vote". (Yes, I found this confusing too when I first started poking at this issue.) Magic♪piano 00:44, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Edward Everett/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Khazar2 (talk · contribs) 12:29, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll be glad to take this one. Comments to follow in the next 1-5 days. -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:29, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

On first pass, this looks terrific as usual. It's fascinating to read about these lower-tier historical figures; I've seen Everett's name show up in various contexts before without ever connecting it into a single individual. I have one question that isn't really necessary for GA passage, below. I also made some tweaks as I went for various grammatical or stylistic reasons, and tried to add slightly more context about some of the figures and events mentioned here. If you object to any of it, feel free to revert and we can discuss further.

  • "which he believed to be the first such degree awarded to an American" -- this is a fascinating detail, but the phrasing invites the question of whether he was correct or incorrect about this. Does the source take a position on that? Or is there just no way to be sure? -- Khazar2 (talk) 17:24, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
    • I don't think there's any way to know with any significant certainty. Brief bios of Everett sometimes blithely claim he was the first to receive a PhD; Frothingham was careful to attribute it to Everett's own assertion. Magic♪piano 14:10, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
  • The Congress.gov bio of his life thinks that his turning down a mission to China is worth a bullet point; I assume that's one of the offers he turned down from Webster. It's not main aspect enough to need inclusion for GA, but probably worth mentioning if you expand further.
    • This is presumably one of the posts Webster offered Everett in an attempt to get him out of London. Magic♪piano 14:10, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm on the road, I'll get to these in a day or two. Magic♪piano 11:54, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
I've tagged the images you mentioned below. Thanks for your review! Magic♪piano 14:10, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
My pleasure--thank you for all your work on it. -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:12, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear and concise, it respects copyright laws, and the spelling and grammar are correct. Spotchecks show no evidence of copyright issues; prose is excellent.
1b. it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
2b. all in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines.
2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias, giving due weight to each.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by images:
6a. images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content. File:George Ticknor print with signature.jpg, File:John Bell and Edward Everett, Constitutional Union Party.jpg, and File:Daguerreotype of Ralph Waldo Emerson.jpg need US public domain tags.
6b. images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
7. Overall assessment. Pass

Huh[edit]

Re his legacy... looking at Edward Everett (disambiguation), it's quite obvious that people were naming their children after Everett in large numbers around and during the Civil War. Since for every person notable enough to have a Wikipedia article you can assume very many similarly-named who aren't, this is a useful demonstration of how truly famous and admired he was in his time. I guess this is one of those things that, while almost certainly true, would be nearly impossible to prove though. Herostratus (talk) 23:00, 29 March 2014 (UTC)