Talk:Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford

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Chapman excerpt[edit]

Once again I have deleted the excerpt about the earl of Oxford from Chapman's Revenge of Bussy D'Ambois. It is fictional, not biographical; Chapman never met Oxford in Germany (or anywhere else that we know of), and doesn't contribute anything to the article. Tom Reedy (talk) 14:49, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

16th Earl?[edit]

Putative portrait of Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford.

As the result of a conversation we had a year ago, I've looked into the putative portrait of Edward de Vere and found that Roy Strong has dated it to the 1560s. I've removed it until authentication is forthcoming from a reliable source and left a note on the Commons page. Tom Reedy (talk) 15:32, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Give it a shot[edit]

As an Oxfordian since 1986, I am long, long, LONG done arguing with people about the Authorship Question. But I've always wondered why your basic Stratfordian won't pick up Ogburn's book. Got something to lose? Like what? And pace The New York Times, it certainly does matter who wrote the plays. My two cents.Donggies (talk) 17:58, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

This is supposed to be for discussing the content of the page. I have no idea what a "basic Stratfordian" is supposed to mean. I have read Ogburn's book. It's a tissue if misrepresentations from the opening pages. I can well understand any Stratfordian, basic or otherwise, concluding that it's not worth the effort to plough through the rest of it after having read the first chapter. Paul B (talk) 18:03, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Does this have something to do with the improvement of this article? Otherwise, please see WP:NOTFORUM, which explains that an article's Talk page is not intended for general discussion of a topic, but to facilitate the development of content and maintenance of the articles associated with it. Thanks. Dwpaul Talk 18:06, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Literary reputation[edit]

Skimming through the article, i noticed a block of text under "Literary reputation" without any citations, and that´s a little weird in an article like this. If someone competent wants to take a look at it, it couldn´t hurt.

"Contemporary critics praised Oxford as a poet and a playwright. William Webbe names Oxford as "the most excellent" of Elizabeth's courtier poets. Puttenham's The Arte of English Poesie (1589), places Oxford first on a list of courtier poets and included an excerpt of "When wert thou born desire" as an example of "his excellance and wit". Puttenham also praises him as one of the playwrights who "deserve the highest praise" in the genres of "Comedy and Enterlude". Francis Meres' Palladis Tamia (1598) names Oxford first of 17 playwrights listed by rank who are "the best for comedy amongst us", and Oxford appears first on a list of seven Elizabethan courtly poets "who honoured Poesie with their pens and practice" in Henry Peacham's 1622 The Compleat Gentleman." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:59, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

It's pretty uncontroversial stuff. I've cited it to Nelson. It's not clear whether Puttenham is praising Oxford for both "Comedy and Enterlude", or praising him for comedy and Richard Edwardes for interludes. The sentence is "That for Tragedy, the Lord of Buckhurst, & Master Edward Ferrers for such doings as I have seen of theirs do deserve the highest praise: th's Earl of Oxford and Master Edwardes of her Majesty's Chapel for Comedy and Interlude." So I've tweaked that. Paul B (talk) 16:42, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:08, 25 May 2014 (UTC)