Talk:Egon Wellesz

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"Both parents of Wellesz's were Hungarian Christians [...] He received a Protestant upbringing"[edit]

This is gross hogwash. Both parents of Wellesz were Jewish and never left Judaism. Wellesz was born a Jew and was circumcised according to Jewish rites. In 1908 Wellesz left Judaism, but in the same year he returned to Judaism to be able to marry his Jewish wife Emilie Stross in the synagogue of Bělá pod Bezdězem. Their daughter Elisabeth was born Jewish in 1912 (she converted to Protestantism in 1936). In 1917 Wellesz again left Judaism, this time for good. He never received "a Protestant upbringing". His father Samuel Wellesz never was Christian. He was Jewish, in 1879 got married in the big Vienna synagogue and died in 1926. He is buried in Vienna's Jewish cemetery, together with his Jewish wife Ilona who died in 1925.--Suessmayr (talk) 10:58, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I trust there is a reliable source for all of this. I notice no one has bothered to cite a source for the hogwash, but it looks suspiciously close to something in Caroline Cepin Benser's biographical article on Wellesz in the New Grove (second edition): "Though part Jewish by birth and Protestant by upbringing, he converted to Catholicism, influenced by his friendship with Father Thomas Michels in Salzburg and by his readings in the mystics."—Jerome Kohl (talk) 22:04, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, in Cepin Benser's Grove article we also learn that Wellesz "was born in the Schottengasse" and that "his father was in the textile business". Both of which is false.--2A02:8388:8180:B000:B41D:3DDE:DB41:12D7 (talk) 06:52, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The sources are:

Staudacher, Anna. Proselyten und Rückkehr: Der Übertritt zum Judentum in Wien 1868-1914. Frankfurt a. M.: Peter Lang 2016 (2 vols.)
Staudacher, Anna. Jüdisch-protestantische Konvertiten in Wien 1782-1914. Frankfurt a. M.: Peter Lang: 2004 (2 vols.). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suessmayr (talk • contribs) 15:01, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so what is stopping you from adding a contesting view to the article? Page citations will be needed, of course.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 19:58, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]