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- 1 Strategic Ambiguity
- 2 Views on Terrorism
- 3 Prime Minister box
- 4 Birthplace
- 5 Dynasty
- 6 The origin of the name
- 7 Olmert is a person, not a "Current Event"
- 8 Pronunciation
- 9 Vice Prime Minister vs. Deputy Prime Minister
- 10 Official PM or not?
- 11 Moved to Israel in 1933
- 12 Is this line necessary? Relevance?
- 13 Suggestion
- 14 picture
- 15 Neutrality tag for section on 2006 Lebanon war
- 16 If Olmert was incapacitated, who would be acting prime minister?
- 17 Russian Jew/not a Russian Jew?
- 18 Proposed merge from Aliza Olmert
- 19 He who knows no shame
- 20 May 2008 investigation
- 21 No law, but there is precedent of resignation or dismissal pendent lite
- 22 protect this page
- 23 PRIME MINISTER OF FRANCE?
- 24 Olmert and the peace process
- 25 When did Olmert become Prime Minister?
- 26 Difference between Caretaker PM and a PM
- 27 Pay attention: Caretaker for PM and Acting PM
- 28 Olmert's "Yediot Aharonot Daily" Interview
Can someone with more editing experience who knows how to do these things please add something about Olmert's comments on Israel's nuclear situation? It's a big deal and the article currently says that strategic ambiguity remains intact
Views on Terrorism
I'm wondering about the impartiality of this section where it says that "On October 30th, Olmert gave a speech to the Knesset in which he equated that all Palestinian victims over the last few months were terrorists". The First link is from an extremely biased source and the second seems to give no details. I'm also wondering what it has to do with "Views of Terrorism" to begin with. I think the section should be removed completely or at least made to be informative rather then just attack the guy.
Prime Minister box
If Prime Minister Sharon should tragically pass it would be a safe assumption that Mr. Olmert will become Prime Minister. I was bored so I decided to whip this up for quick copy and paste if it happens.
- The necessary edit has already taken place. --(Mingus ah um 02:26, 16 April 2006 (UTC))
I'm wondering, since Olmert was never PM when he belonged to Likud should not only "Kadima" be listed as his political party? 184.108.40.206 17:44, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, and I am going to make the edit. If anyone here has a problem with this... talk to us. --(Mingus ah um 02:26, 16 April 2006 (UTC))
Is he the first PM to be born in Israel? Is this Wiki-worthy? Yossiea 15:44, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
- He isn't the first: Rabin (born in Jerusalem) was, unless I'm mistaken.Secondary Oak 16:48, 6 January 2006 (UTC) Sharon Barak and Netanyhu where also born in Israel.
Anybody thinks that the paragraph about the Likud Dynasty is not necessarily relevant and should maybe be moved to an entirely new article? --Cramer 13:48, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Agreed. Seems to me it should go into the page about the Likud, if it can be integrated properly. If not then a separate list of likud dynasty people could be created. The first option is preferrable though. Sjavitt84 22:53, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
- I agree. This paragraph doesn't belong here:
- Ehud Olmert was a member of the Likud Party's dynasty group (those whose parents played a part in the establishment of the Revisionist Zionism movement of Vladimir Jabotinsky, or who grew up during the early years of the State of Israel under its ideology). Other members of this category (which has no connection to where they stand on the divisions within the Likud today) include former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (son of scholar Ben-Zion Netanyahu), former Knesset Member Benny Begin (son of Prime Minister Menachem Begin; whose views were considerably more extreme than his father's, and caused him to form the splinter New Herut Party), Justice Minister Tzipi Livni (daughter of Irgun operative and Likud predecessor Herut Party Knesset Member Eitan Livni), and Omri Sharon (son of current PM Ariel Sharon). However, Olmert, like several others, has joined PM Ariel Sharon in his new centrist party, Kadima. ←Humus sapiens←ну? 09:23, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
The origin of the name
Does anyone have any idea what kind of a name is Olmert? I mean from which jewish ethnicity is stems from?
- This  says his father's family was from Russia originally. JackO'Lantern 00:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- According to this:
- The origin of the name Olmert is not known, even to the members of the family. Mordechai Olmert’s great grandfather was kidnapped as a young child by the Tsar’s army and forced to serve in it for 25 years. When finally released, he settled in the city of Samara on the River Volga, and when asked for his name, gave it as Olmert: possibly remembering it in a distorted way from his childhood.
- 220.127.116.11 09:34, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- "The name comes from the town of Ulm". I heard this from Avshalom Kor on the Israeli radio, and I can offer no further proof (sorry). I don't know if Dr. Kor was telling that from personal knowledge, speculating, or echoing another person's speculation. elpincha 23:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- It's clearly a German surname.
Olmert is a person, not a "Current Event"
Therefore, suggest removing the box on top. elpincha 23:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- The "current event" that is being mentioned is that of the actual event of the transfer of power. No person is a current event. That is not what is being implied. Please DO NOT get rid of the box on top. We need it there. Later!!!! User:18.104.22.168 17:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
It's Olmert. With an accent on the O. There is no possibility of mis-pronouncing it when read in the Latin alphabet. Due to the vowel-less script used in modern Hebrew, when read from the Hebrew alphabet it may be pronounced Ulmert, Ulmart, Olemeret, Ulamert...
Why should this name need IPA info and stuff??? elpincha 14:43, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Because too many people pronounce it "ol-MAIR", as if it rhymed with "Stephen Colbert". 22.214.171.124 (talk) 09:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, the accent isn't actually an O? Regardless, there is a mistake: seeing as it's Hebrew, there should be a uvular trill or fricative instead of the r. Metsfan001 21:05, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Vice Prime Minister vs. Deputy Prime Minister
The function of Deputy Prime minister and Vice Prime Minister are distinctly different in Israel. In the current, 30th government of Israel, Ehud Olmert is the Vice Prime Minister and as such he replaces Sharon for 100 days after Sharon's incapacitation. Tommy Lapid, then Silvan Shalom were Deputy Prime Ministers. Currently Israel does not have a Deputy Prime Minister. Please do not change back to Deputy Prime Minister, wikify with Deputy Prime Minister or revert without checking the facts. Regards, gidonb 19:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- See more in the article Deputy Leader of Israel, which title will still benefit from some improvement. gidonb 19:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Official PM or not?
This is something kind of confusing. As far as I understand, and as is listed in this article, Olmert has officially been PM since April 14, 2006. But many of the news stories and photo captions on services such as yahoo news and google news continue to label him as "Prime Minister-designate" or even "acting Prime Minister." Is this a mistake on their part? Or is he still a "Prime Minister-designate?" rvinall 20:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- It's a mistake.
Are you sure? I mean, I don't doubt it, but just go to yahoo news and look up news stories on Israel. You would be hard pressed to find one in which Olmert is not referred to as "interim," "acting," or "designate." Why would so many different reporters and writers all be making this mistake? rvinall 00:34, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Never mind. I guess some news agencies just waited till the cabinet was officially sworn in, which was a few days ago. rvinall 05:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Moved to Israel in 1933
The article states the following:
"In 2004, Ehud Olmert visited China and paid his respects at the tomb of his grandfather in Harbin. Olmert said that his father had never forgotten his Chinese hometown after moving to Israel in 1933 when he was 22. "When he died at the age of 88, he spoke his last words in Chinese," he recalled."
- Probably trying to say "Palestine" (as it was then), the modern-day Israeli territory. --nlitement [talk] 14:47, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Is this line necessary? Relevance?
It has been rumored that Aliza was a (founding) member of the Israeli left wing organization Women in Black, but this rumor is unsubstantiated.  -Unidiode 05:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- Surprising... Everyone in the world knows that she is one of the leaders of W in B. Axxn 13:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I suggest that this article be restricted to registered users editing. I went to it minutes ago and it redirected to the article about Satan. I fixed it though.
- This may be a good idea. I have already listed the article on Wikipedia:Most vandalized pages and if vandalism continues at the rate of the past several days I'll request semiprotection. Tal :) 10:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
All wikipedia articles should be protected - and changed only by official??. The discussion page should be a free for all - which it is.
Is there any pic of Ehud addressing the Knesset we could use in the article instead of one next to GW Bush? Medinat Israel is an independent and sovereign country, even when the US seems to be a friend of Israel. 126.96.36.199
Neutrality tag for section on 2006 Lebanon war
I agree with whoever put the tag there: this section is not even close to neutral. It gives the impression that the IDF targeted only "Hezbollah militant" and "the group's infastructure", ignoring the considerable evidence that the IDF deliberately targeted civilian infrastructure. (See, for example, to Seymour Hersh's article in the current New Yorker.) Also it has the apolgetic charge that "Hezbollah uses Lebanese civilians as human shield" but doesn't mention, for example, the report of Human Rights Watch which concluded that Lebanese civilians were deliberately targeted at least in some cases. There are other problems, but rather than fix the section, I think we should just eliminate most of the material, as it just rehashes ground covered in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict article. What's needed here is something specifically about Olmert, the decision to respond to Hezbollah's raid in the way he did and how it has been received in Israel and the world. Sanguinalis 01:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
If Olmert was incapacitated, who would be acting prime minister?
If Olmert was incapacitated, who would be acting prime minister - Tzipi Livni or Avigdor Lieberman? CuriousOliver 22:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Russian Jew/not a Russian Jew?
An anonymous editor using an IP located in Jerusalem removed this article from Category:Russian Jews. This may be someone close to Ehud Olmert, or it may be someone unrelated. Could someone knowledgeable in this area take a look and confirm/deny Olmert's membership in this group? BigNate37(T) 17:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Proposed merge from Aliza Olmert
The article Women in Black. Unsubstantiated rumours shouldn't really be in biographies of living persons, in my opinion. If I were to remove the material I feel is inappropriate from her article, it would merely state she is Ehud's wife—hence my proposal to merge to here. BigNate37(T) 00:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)is a stub, which does two things. It explains she is the wife of Ehud, and it uses weasel words and unsourced statements to say that she is a writer and may or may not be some other things. Its one sourced statement says there is an unsubstantiated rumour she is a member of
- If there are no objections, I'll go ahead with the merge—since she's already listed as Ehud's wife, all the merge will consist of is redirecting the article here and removing the merge template. BigNate37(T) 05:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Oppose. We know weasle words need to be improved upon, but it means just that, the article needs to be improved, not deleted/merged. First Lady's of major nations are inherently notable. --Oakshade 03:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
i figure she's a person on her own merits... either we romove her due to lack of notability or we make a reasonably encyclopedic article... i fixed it to be a little more normative. Jaakobou 11:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'm against merging the articles. If Aliza Olmert is notable in her own right, she should have an article, linked to the Ehud Olmert article (which of course should mention her). If she is not notable, she should simply be mentioned in the Ehud Olmert article.
- For what it's worth, I have certainly read reports that she is a supporter of Peace Now. I'm busy right now, but will try to find them soon. I don't know about Women in Black, though. RolandR 23:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
He who knows no shame
May 2008 investigation
Mashkin--I cannot understand why you undid my investigation on the grounds that including it is "premature." Are you disputing that Olmert was in fact questioned under caution? That is a fairly serious and unusual circumstance for a sitting prime minister. The section is entitled "Controversies," not "convictions," and there is no doubt that the matter has been controversial and has led to calls for Olmert to suspend himself. I can see that a more stable source could be used for the footnote, but I would expect you to suggest one rather than simply undo my revision. --Tirpse77 (talk) 21:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- sorry for accidentally deleting the References. They are restored. Was not intentional--Tirpse77 (talk) 21:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- The whole controversies section is abysmal. One point that should be corrected is the finding of the Winograd commission. Specifically, I undid what you wrote since it deleted the ref etc. About the new investigation, at this point there is really very little that can be written and will make sense. So why rush? Mashkin (talk) 11:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
- I added an explanation concerning the preliminary and final reports. Unfortunately the Winograd Commission has not been updated to include the final report. Mashkin (talk) 23:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
No law, but there is precedent of resignation or dismissal pendent lite
I added these 2 links since there is a precedent and he promised to resign if indicted: Olmert admitted to taking money when he was Minister of Industry and Trade and Mayor of Jerusalem, from Jewish businessman Morris Talansky but resisted calls to resign, and stated: "I never took bribes, I never took a penny for myself. I was elected by you, citizens of Israel, to be the prime minister and I don't intend to shirk this responsibility. If Attorney General Meni Mazuz decides to file an indictment, I will resign from my position, even though the law does not oblige me to do so."inthenews.co.uk, Olmert refuses to step down amid corruption scandalIn the precedent of Aryeh Deri, the court forced then prime minister Yitzhak Rabin to dismiss him due to bribery charges.globes.co.il, Olmert: I'll resign if indicted --Florentino floro (talk) 08:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- Who knows whether this applies to PMs and not just ministers? Obviously, if indicted there will be enormous pressure to resign and it is hard to see him not resigning, but it is not a clear cut case. When the issue was indicting Sharon, there were law professors who thought the precedent should not apply to him. Mashkin (talk) 00:11, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- I added this 2nd investigation at his house, since, with bated breath, the nation is waiting, if the prosecutors can really zero in on him; otherwise, like before, case closed. On May 23, National Fraud Squad investigators interrogated Olmert for an hour in his Jerusalem residence for a second time about corruption allegations. It was the 5th probe since he became prime minister and no charges had been yet filed.ap.google.com, Israeli police question PM Olmert againnews.bbc.co.uk, Olmert questioned on 'corruption' --Florentino floro (talk) 10:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
protect this page
- There are enough editors to promptly revert any vandalism as to not justify page protection. Also please don't help the vandals by posting the link here. Rami R 08:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
PRIME MINISTER OF FRANCE?
Olmert and the peace process
I have removed the new section you just added to Ehud Olmert. It seems to me to be political commentary and it is not sourced. We need to be very careful not to mix interpretation into the description of the events; see WP:NOT#OR. If you can find a source for statements such as "The American administrations plans to work to achieve a final status deal until the end of the year... has been diminished", then perhaps it should go back in, but otherwise this is just speculation.
help me out here zvika! help me find the sources! this is a very important point, if not the most important one! Peopel want to know what is basiclly the impact on the peace process.
second, it is obvious by the schedule - september, anew leader and most probebly a new Prime minster - untill at list October there will be a forming of new gov (or at list attempts to do so), then In November - the American presidential elections, marking the end of this current adminstration's term - pretty clear what commentators say all over news papers ! you just need to help me find the sources...
- here is Ehud Barak comment, just an hour ago  - he is obviously not interested in elections right now, due to his aproval rating in the polls - and will join Kadima coalition. --Shevashalosh (talk) 12:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- How is this related to the American administration? Look, whether things are obvious or not is irrelevant - the only question is whether they can be cited from a reliable source. I haven't seen any source mention that the Bush administration thinks there's no longer any chance for peace this year, so I don't think that should go in. Any other statement that is important, relevant and sourced, can be included. --Zvika (talk) 13:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- It is related to the american adminstration, since they have numerous of times, have stated, most recentlly (as well as in the past)- that they intend to try to work to reach a finall staus deal by the end of this current adminstrations term. The only probelm, is that now it doesn't fit their tight schedule, and this is all over the place in Israeli newspapers (an election, which is less likely to occur, due to Ehud Barak being the major spinal column in Kadima's majority coalition, and is not obviously interested in elections right now due to his rating polls; such senario of general election being held, is even a more damaging scenario then when most probebly a kadima new leader will become a new prime minister).
- The only thing we need to add to the chapter of "Impact on Peace process" is an opening line, stating that: "According to most of the commentators -and due to new political schedule..."
- Q&A: Olmert's Resignation And The Peace Process NPR, July 30, 2008. --Shevashalosh (talk) 14:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- Olmert Ouster Likely To Slow Peace Parley - Bush Goal of Palestinian Arab State by End of His Term Is Reassessed  New York Sun (yesterday). --Shevashalosh (talk) 16:47, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- We’re pushing, prodding and cajoling,” a senior Bush administration official said. “They’re the ones who are negotiating, but our goal is still as stated: getting an agreement by the end of the year that addresses all the final status issues.” NYtimes, today  --Shevashalosh (talk) 20:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- OK, OK :) ... if you cite some of these sources then I guess it's OK to include some statements of people saying what they think the impact on the peace process will be. However, these should be worded as such: e.g., "So-and-so said that the peace process will slow down [ref]." And not: "So-and-so is a lame duck." See the difference? We are not saying anything ourselves, only telling the readers about a common interpretation among Israeli and Palestinian officials. --Zvika (talk) 05:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- I agree this needs to be rephrased. I'll try to do that, and you will go through this after I edit it again, see if there is any of your comments as well.
- As to "Lame Duck", I have put it under quotaion marks by anyway, since some commentators have used this pharse as well, this referes to the fact that since an Israeli Prime Minister needs to approve any agreement made - by the the Israeli parliament, the Knesset, and therefore, if he annouced that he intends to resgin, then already addded to the fact that he is under ongoing corruption investigations, he is has less seen as having so called a "mandate" on finding anybody at all to support any such action - by approval vote of such agreement (by the Knesset)- if there will be any such an agreement at all in such a tight schedule. --Shevashalosh (talk) 10:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- It still seems worded more like a news analysis piece than an encyclopedic article to me. The "lame duck" really looks inappropriate to me -- the fact that one news commentator said that is not sufficient to include it in the article, IMO, especially since Olmert said in his speech that he will continue to work normally until he is replaced, and specifically addressed the peace process issue. Anyway, I probably won't have too much time to work on this article myself in the next few days, so just do your best and feel free to ignore my advice :) --Zvika (talk) 17:08, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- The reality is, that at the end of the day, we are talking about politics that influances the peace process, especially in this case, and how democracy works. Since this is a major issue, the peace process, that is basically influnced by politics in democracy, it is appropriate to be included. --Shevashalosh (talk) 19:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
When did Olmert become Prime Minister?
- Well, it was something of an unusual circumstance (further complicated by the fact that Israeli law at that time was somewhat unclear concerning an incapacitated prime minister). It is explained in Ehud Olmert#Acting Prime Minister. --Zvika (talk) 17:02, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- IANAL, but there are some differences in the meaning and also in the authority for these two definitions. An acting PM is the de-facto PM when the elected PM cannot carry out his duties, e.g. due to illness. This is a rare occurrence - I think the last time it happened (before Sharon/Olmert) was after Rabin's assassination, when Peres became acting PM. In this case he's an ordinary PM in all practical respects, except that he was not nominated in the standard method. An interim PM is just the ordinary PM during the transitional period in which the election process has already started but a new PM has not been elected. This is basically a technicality, although it does make some minor differences in what he's allowed to do, in order to ensure continuity of governance during this transitional phase. --Zvika (talk) 18:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Zvika, You need to simplefy the opening statment, it is confusing. Start from beging to - end, as becommnig PM, not the other way around - ending the paragraph with Ariel Sharon's stroke (the beging of the story).
- It look more clearer now Shevashalosh. PS- I'm also concerned about the Infobox; it says Olmert assumed office January 4, when infact he assumed office no earlier then April 14. On January 4, Olmert assumed the PM duties - Sharon remaining PM until April 14. GoodDay (talk) 21:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Well here is the thing:
- January 4, 2006 - Ariel Sharon suffers a stroke - and Olmert becomes Acting (caretaker) Prime Minister.
- April 14, 100 days passed to stroeke, the legall limitation of being caretaker of this possion - and so he becomes officially head of government and Interim (transitional) Prime Minister untill already nearing schduled election on March 28.
- Meanwhile, since he was declaired on april 14, as the new head of government,
- March 28, alraedy scheduled election, instead of Sharon (lying in hospital with severe stroke), he runs under Kadima ticket, and wins the elections.
- he legally needs to form his own new government (cabinet) - and this takes time - untill may 4, 2006.
- Having formed his own cabinet on May 4, and after elections took palce, makes him the Prime Minister of Israel, without additional titles.
- Still though, saying Olmert assumed office on January 4 - makes it appear as though Sharon & Olmert were Co-Prime Ministers from that date 'til April 14. GoodDay (talk) 22:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- One major difference between the two time periods (before April 14 and after) is that before that date, Sharon was still PM and if he had recovered, he could have re-assumed the duties of his office. After that date, he was no longer PM and would have not have re-assumed office in any event. Therefore it is correct to say that Olmert "assumed the office on April 14 and not before. 6SJ7 (talk) 00:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed. GoodDay (talk) 00:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
acting Prime Minister ממלא מקום ראש הממשלה, caretaker PM
A message for Zvika:
When you'll be back here I need to talk to you, this section has become a list of political dates, which are confusing and irrelevant, and not even mentioned in Hebrew Wikipedia.
here is an example:
"The President of Israel Moshe Katsav formally asked Olmert on 6 April ...." ? (who cares ? did he finally managed to form a government ?)
"On 11 April 2006 the Israeli Cabinet deemed that Sharon was incapacitated" - what realy matters is that it took affect on april 14, and maby one more word that "It was extened due to Jewish Holiday" - no more confusing info.
what you call
"Acting Prime Minister" - is "Caretaker Prime Minister" - Hebrew is less confusing : ממלא מקום ראש הממשלה
"Acting Prime Minister" (ראש הממשלה בפועל)- took place on April 14, after election, and when he was awaiting to become the prime minister by all means, during the process of forming a majority coalition, in order to approve his government.
(See Hebrew wikipedia terms, its all in there)
I haven't changed it, just put it as : Acting (caretaker) Prime Minister - so I could wait for your cooperation, but this needs to change.
By anycase, this whole section is overloaded with irrelevant detailed dates, that makes this chapter a list of political dates, rather then a content of events.
- Actually, I think I've had enough dabbling with political articles for the time being.. You guys seem to know what you're doing, I'm sure you'll manage. Have fun! --Zvika (talk) 05:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
And this is for everyone to enjoy "The Aye Team" (like in Yidish)
Takem form a comedy show, where "Olmert" is declaring on his Government "Aye team" (like in Yiddish)  - pay attention, at the end, to how he speaks to Sharon's bed's hospital. hilarious --Shevashalosh (talk) 02:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Difference between Caretaker PM and a PM
There is no difference between, a Caretaker PM (who assumes the duties of office, without the office itself) and a PM by all legal means, besides 2 exceptional:
1) He doesn't cary the title (the shorter one) of : "Prime Minister"
2) He is Prime Minister by all legal means, unless and if the Prime Minister gets better (or well enough) to return to office.
- This doesn't change the fact, that he indeed assumed office on april 14, 2006, since as Caretaker PM, he obviouslly assumed only the duties of office without the office itself. --Shevashalosh (talk) 11:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Another remark : In Hebrew Caretaker PM - is less confusing (ממלא מקום ראש הממשלה) - since this it is lit. "Filling in for the PM" (which basiclly explains, in contra to English - what this whole term means (and contra to "filling in for the PM" - "Acting PM" is PM with assuming the office itself) (talk) 11:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Pay attention: Caretaker for PM and Acting PM
If Sharon would have died, as a result of his stroke, then Olmert would immidiatlly be (exercise) the Acting PM (this time, with the assuming the PM office and it's duties, instead of just a ministry position that is designed to take over PM office in any event).
Since Sharon was hospitilized, though with severe stroke, but not dead, he had to be Caretaker for PM, untill 100 legal day would pass (to wait and see if Sharon is capable of recovering to return to office), and only then could he exercise his ministry position as Acting PM.
Olmert's "Yediot Aharonot Daily" Interview
This is new but I am quite sure it will end up being a quoted interview for years to come and a significant marker for Olmert's life. I'm new to wiki so I'll let others try to word it unless no one else does but this should go in http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/world/middleeast/30olmert.html?_r=2&ei=5070&emc=eta1&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j5T0Gse73CzZ6BDKpZBNA1SwCmCg There's probably an Israeli english online source more complete but I'm not familiar with which ones are respected over there. I suggest at least the following quote "We have to reach an agreement with the Palestinians, the meaning of which is that in practice we will withdraw from almost all the territories, if not all the territories" NewsWatcher99 (talk) 07:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)